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Alexandr_Ushakov
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Hello.

I have installed Trisquel 6 mini (with lxde) 64 bit edition on hp 635 laptop.

1.Wi-Fi adapter dont work.
How to define exactly wifi adapter model which I use?
How to check ability of free driver for this adapter?

2.How permit users to login without passwords entering?

3.Why midori is default browser? Abrowser is fork of Firefox 26, its really cool and modern browser.

4.Current version is based on Ubuntu 12.04 LTS, isnt it?
And next will be based on Ubuntu 14.04 LTS? When based on Ubuntu 14.04 Trisquel version appears?

Alexandr_Ushakov
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5. OS dont see external monitor, connected by hdmi.
Maybe this is lxde problem - so, why you dont make mate DE default for trisquel mini - it's small DE too and support normally work with external monitors.

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Hello and welcome!

1. Open a terminal and input lspci, paste output here. Usually one does not need to install drivers on a GNU/Linux system because they come with the kernel. This might suggest that there is no free driver for your card. You might want to try the latest Linux-libre kernel, e.g. from http://jxself.org/linux-libre/

2. Edit your /etc/gdm/custom.conf as a super user, e.g. sudo nano /etc/gdm/custom.conf and input
[daemon]
AutomaticLoginEnable=true
AutomaticLogin=YOURUSERNAMEGOESHERE

3. Midori probably is more light weight which is the reason mini exists. You can install abrowser (which is the default for the non-mini version) and use the update-alternatives mechanism to make it the default browser.

4. & 5. no idea

Michał Masłowski

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1. Run "lspci -nn" and "lsusb", paste the outputs here.

4. Usually development starts several months after the corresponding
Ubuntu release is made and stops several months later.

I don't use Trisquel Mini nor LXDE, I don't have experience with the
other issues.

Alexandr_Ushakov
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Execution lspci or lspci -nn commands (where is difference?) commands give the name of wi-fi adapter: Qualcomm Atheros AR9285 (rev 01).

For updating kernel, I can:
"add in /etc/apt/sources.list file line:

deb http://jxself.org/repo/freesh/ freesh main

install the GPG key
wget http://jxself.org/repo/freesh/archive-key.asc
sudo apt-key add archive-key.asc

sudo aptitude update "
?

Why in trisquel mini isnt gui for user managment? power settings configuration?

antiesnob
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https://trisquel.info/en/wiki/compiling-gnu-linux-libre-kernel to compile another kernel if you need to make your wifi work.

Notice that Trisquel 6.0.1 is there to install too.

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Unless you want to customize the configuration of the kernel (prepare to read a lot of documentation!), or to check by yourself that it is free software (without the need to trust jxself who builds and distributes the deb packages), there is not much point in compiling the kernel by yourself. Here is how to get the latest pre-compiled version of Linux-libre: https://trisquel.info/en/wiki/update-linux-libre-kernel

However, you could first wait for some feedback on the Wifi chipset you have. There may not be any free firmware for it (even in the latest Linux-libre).

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1- Do as mention before by Michal.

2- Mentioned by lembas here and here http://trisquel.info/en/forum/skip-login-window.

3- Midori uses about 8MB less than Abrowser. Remember that Trisquel-mini is pretended to be for lightweighted use. You can install abrowser if you prefer.

4- I would not be so anxious for another version. Trisquel is great as it is. If you wanna change or add someting you are free to do it and ask for help for it too. Also you can compile a newer kernel.

5- I haven't tried a second screen.Out of ideas there. Make another thread for that and you'll surely get more help there.

Alexandr_Ushakov
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Now I try to install linux-libre64 kernel.

antiesnob:
"Midori uses about 8MB less than Abrowser. Remember that Trisquel-mini is pretended to be for lightweighted use. You can install abrowser if you prefer."

8 mb is nothing. Firefox features is very important - normal ads blocking, for example.

" I would not be so anxious for another version. Trisquel is great as it is. If you wanna change or add someting you are free to do it and ask for help for it too. Also you can compile a newer kernel."

I'm a newbie in Linux, but I couldnt understand this thing. If Trisquel based on Ubuntu repos, so, it depends on the ubuntu version Trisquel refers to. As I understand repos defines will be software fresh or not. I notice that Trisquel kernel has 3.2 version, like Ubuntu 12.04.

"Trisquel is great as it is."

It's too loud declaration.

"I haven't tried a second screen.Out of ideas there. Make another thread for that and you'll surely get more help there."

I worked in Lubuntu 13.10 before. All content of laptop display was displayed as fragment on second large monitor (not like a mirror). But Lubuntu though enables second monitor, Trisquel in fact dont sent signal to it.
http://forum.lxde.org/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=36489

antiesnob
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Trisquel has its own repos.
8MB is a lot for machine with 512MB.

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Trisquel 6 is based on Ubuntu 12.04, and Trisquel 7 will be based on Ubuntu 14.04. I don't know when Trisquel 7 will be out; Trisquel 6 didn't come out until I think 6 months after Ubuntu 12.04, but that was before it was switched to LTS-only, so it might be faster this time.

What kind of video card do you have, by the way?

Alexandr_Ushakov
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I use HP 635 laptop. It based on AMD APU A2 (very-very old and week processor vith 1.6 frequency).

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I was asking about the GPU, not the CPU. But if it's an AMD (Radeon) video card or integrated graphics controller, that might be your problem with multiple monitors. All AMD/ATI video cards have poor support in Linux-libre; they require a proprietary firmware blob to work fully. Perhaps your GPU also needs proprietary software for HDMI support. It could even be part of a digital restriction mechanism (DRM) scheme.

If that is the problem, it might be unfixable. You might just have to do without it. You might be able to use the VGA monitor port (assuming it has one) as an alternative.

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Modern Intel graphics (haswell) works normally on Linux libre kernel?

onpon4
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Yep, Intel graphics are the best, in fact; Intel actually provides proper free software support for them.

antiesnob
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put the output of this command to be sure:
$ lspci | grep --p "VGA/3D"

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Your grep command is wrong. I have a modern Intel graphical chipset and it outputs nothing.

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i have a not-so-modern Intel chipset and also get no output from above, in fact, "3D" does not appear at all... SIDENOTE with new hardware, I'd suggest people use "lspci -v ..." to take the hybrid intel/nvidia intel/amd into account, the -v is required to show both.

antiesnob
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What I tried is to get just info of thethe GPU controller. If that doesn't works, means VGA is called in another way. Would "lspci --p "VGA|Video" work?
If we write "lspci -v" we get a verbose info about all controllers. I'm trying to get just VGA controller without other controllers with one command (actually, 2) to work in any machine in general. Any idea (despite the mentioned before?

lembas
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Nope. lspci doesn't have a --p parameter at all, where do you get that from?

What kind of output do you get on a machine where you get nothing with VGA?

You can use grep -E 'a|b|c' to show lines with a, b or c. Note the possibility of "false positives".

I.e. lspci|grep -E 'a|b|c'

antiesnob
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Typo.

lspci | grep --p "VGA/Video"

antiesnob
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I made a typo in the first command. Try this:
$ lspci | grep --p "VGA|3D"

I wrote / instead of |, my bad.

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On Mon, Feb 03, 2014 at 07:38:33PM +0100, name at domain wrote:
> I made a typo in the first commando. Try this:
> $ lspci | grep --p "VGA|3D"
>
> I wrote / instead of |, my bad.

1) i don't think grep has a --p, what do you think this does?

2) I don't think searching for the string "VGA|3D" is likely to find anything... perhaps in your specific case, but i doubt that is common

antiesnob
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Actually, it always worked for me and it is working now on differents machines and systems.
$ man grep doesn't shows that option (why?) but if you try it you'll get a result.
Try this for example:
$ lspci | grep --p "VGA|USB"

One I add --p it searches differents words for results: USB then VGA.
I used this for years but only now I'm noticing there's no documentation in grep for that (but it works).

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On Mon, Feb 03, 2014 at 09:12:36PM +0100, name at domain wrote:
> Actually, it always worked for me and it is working now. $ man grep
> doesn't shows that option (why?) but if you try it you'll get a
> result.
> Try this for example:
> $ lspci | grep --p "VGA|USB"

$ lspci | grep -E "VGA|USB"

would be the documented method, or just use egrep instead.

> One I add --p it searches differents words for results: USB then VGA.
> I used this for years but only now I'm noticing there's no
> documentation in grep for that (but it works).

Alexandr_Ushakov
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I installed new kernel and wi-fi dont work. I used http://jxself.org/linux-libre/ manual.

There is not difference between installing kernel by ready deb file or after compilation?

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Then your wifi adapter doesn't work with Linux-libre. The solution is to get a new one that does; the easiest way is to buy one from Think Penguin:

http://libre.thinkpenguin.com

A USB adapter is the easiest choice; HP is one of the companies that often produce laptops that are defective by design and arbitrarily reject wireless cards, but a USB adapter will work regardless.

antiesnob
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It is supossed not.

Which kernel have you installed?

Yes. USB WiFi at libre.thinkpenguin.com is the best solution.

antiesnob
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What about sausy kernel? It is free, isn't it?

Alexandr_Ushakov
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"sausy kernel" - what is it?

antiesnob
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I meant "saucy", sorry. I ain't sure if it's free. Anyone knows it?

http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.12-saucy/

quantumgravity
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This seems to be the normal kernel of saucy salamander, so it's not fully free.

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There is, in Trisquel 6's repository, a package named "linux-generic-lts-saucy". The title of the description is "Generic Linux-*libre* kernel image and headers", i.e., it is the deblobbed kernel. Notice that the whole Saucy's graphical stack (the X server or even Wayland, the Open GL implementation, etc.) were (im)ported to Trisquel 6.

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On Sun, 2014-02-02 at 21:00 +0100, name at domain wrote:
> There is, in Trisquel 6's repository, a package named
> "linux-generic-lts-saucy". The title of the description is "Generic
> Linux-*libre* kernel image and headers", i.e., it is the deblobbed kernel.
> Notice that the whole Saucy's graphical stack (the X server or even Wayland,
> the Open GL implementation, etc.) were (im)ported to Trisquel 6.

Hmmm ... I saw it in Aptitude last night and was wondering what it was
doing there (I always thought only Precise-related things were there). I
then checked the Trisquel Packages site and searched "saucy" just to be
sure but it didn't pull any results--most likely it hasn't been updated
or I wasn't searching correctly?

No longer worrying if this can be installed or not. Thanks magicbanana.

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Actually, don't get a wireless adaptor yet. My mom's laptop also has AR9285 and it works perfectly in Trisquel. It is also listed as working on h-node.org.

Can you post the output of "lspci -nnk"? Also post the output of dmesg. Attach them in separate files, because the output may be big.

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Why are you using Trisquel Mini? It seems like you would rather use full Trisquel. Trisquel includes Abrowser and good ol' GNOME. According to notebookcheck.net, the HP 635 has 2GB of RAM. That should be high enough secifications for full Trisquel. I just wouldn't use it on my Sony PCG-812 laptop with 640KB RAM. That's not even enough for Trisquel Mini!

antiesnob
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640KB of RAM??? I wonder if MenuetOS would work on it. Sure you meant 640MB.
Good pointed. The machine from this user looks more than plenty for Trisquel.

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Probably didn't mean MB. There's a computer I've used before that has 256 MB of RAM and it's able to run Xfce and LXDE just fine (its default regular DE is Xfce). Double that to 512 MB, and it's able to run a relatively lightweight web browser easily as well.

Legimet
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Actually, I searched for that computer and it has 64 MB of memory.

DonaldET3 (not verified)
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You are correct. I was confused by PhoenixBIOS when it said "0640K system RAM". Apperantly that was not the total RAM.

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The original x86 computer could only address 640 KB of RAM, and as far as I know, that's how much RAM BIOS-based computers have access to before the Operating System is loaded.

antiesnob
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KB of RAM?? Maybe 50 years ago.

DonaldET3 (not verified)
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Well, the IBM 5150 from 1981-1987 had 16kB ~ 256kB.

antiesnob
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I know. It was kinda exageration to make a lil joke :)