GNOME Videos: Apple Movie Trailers

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calher

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Is it OK that GNOME Videos displays Apple movie trailers when I first
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mason

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What's the package name? I don't see anything called gnome-videos or anything similar.

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>Is it OK that GNOME Videos displays Apple movie trailers when I first launch it?

No.

calher

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GNOME apps have two names: a technical/package name, and a display
name.  For example, Web is called "epiphany" still, in the package
managers.

Videos is still totem, but it is no longer Totem with a capital T.

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Well, it always has contained an access to so called video channels. The package name is 'totem'. I haven't used it for a couple of years or so. I don't think there is something to fear, it definitely does get those videos ethically.

edit: I found out that this is a plugin: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/totem/tree/master/src/plugins/apple-trailers
[Look, they don't do anything bad. (at least as I understand)]

Have a good time :)

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My concern with banning Apple movie trailers is, wouldn't banning it
mean you'd have to ban all of YouTube?  That wouldn't be good.

But, you could argue that Apple movie trailers is something very
specific, and that specific thing should be banned while non-specific
things like YouTube should not.

By the way, Videos is a great way to search and view YouTube videos
without proprietary JavaScript.  My only gripe is that it fetches
videos in MP4 format instead of WebM, so it won't work on stock Fedora.

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Are you able to actually play any of the Apple trailers? I get an error: "Could not initialize the supporting library", but this could be due to an unrelated bug. My impression from this forum is that totem is buggy in general, at least in Trisquel.

If the videos can be played without non-free software, then watching them through totem is better freedomwise than watching them through iTunes. The trailers themselves are presumably non-free, but since they are not “information for practical use” this on its own is not a FSDG issue.

> My concern with banning Apple movie trailers is, wouldn't banning it
> mean you'd have to ban all of YouTube?  That wouldn't be good.

I think there is a difference between banning and not promoting. Not including a channel by default is not a ban, since the user is still free to add that channel. Including it by default promotes it. Apple is a nasty company, and I don't see why they deserve the privilage of being promoted by Trisquel. I feel the same way about including Amazon and Google as one-click search engines in Abrowser.

There is another issue, which is that these videos are trailers. Trailers are intended to encourage the viewer to watch the full movie. Can the full movies be accessed through totem? I doubt it, in which case they will encourage the user to view the film elsewhere. It is often very difficult to obtain some films without DRM or non-free software. It's probably not a good idea to advertise a film unless you provide a freedom-respecting path toward obtaining that film.

I assume that this Apple crap is from upstream. I wonder what the default newsfeeds in Lifrea are in Ubuntu? In Trisquel, they are all freedom-friendly sources like LibrePlanet and the Trisquel forums. I doubt that these are the defaults in Ubuntu. Perhaps the default channels in totem could be replaced with something a more freedom-friendly source than Apple.

> But, you could argue that Apple movie trailers is something very
> specific, and that specific thing should be banned while non-specific
> things like YouTube should not.

I feel the same way about YouTube. There is nothing wrong with providing Trisquel users with a means of watching Youtube videos without proprietary software, such as avideo (which should replace youtube-dl), but there is no reason to actively promote Youtube. If Trisquel promotes any websites for obtaining media, they should be freedom-respecting ones like Libre.FM or MediaGoblin.

> By the way, Videos is a great way to search and view YouTube videos
> without proprietary JavaScript.  My only gripe is that it fetches
> videos in MP4 format instead of WebM, so it won't work on stock Fedora.

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>I think there is a difference between banning and not promoting. Not including a channel by default is not a ban, since the user is still free to add that channel. Including it by default promotes it. Apple is a nasty company, and I don't see why they deserve the privilage of being promoted by Trisquel. I feel the same way about including Amazon and Google as one-click search engines in Abrowser.

There is another issue, which is that these videos are trailers. Trailers are intended to encourage the viewer to watch the full movie. Can the full movies be accessed through totem? I doubt it, in which case they will encourage the user to view the film elsewhere. It is often very difficult to obtain some films without DRM or non-free software. It's probably not a good idea to advertise a film unless you provide a freedom-respecting path toward obtaining that film.

this is exactly the long version of my comment below, that is if I was in the verbose mood. My cheers go to you mate mason o/

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> By the way, Videos is a great way to search and view YouTube videos
> without proprietary JavaScript.  My only gripe is that it fetches
> videos in MP4 format instead of WebM, so it won't work on stock Fedora.

I haven't tried this, but if totem uses youtube-dl/avideo as its backend for accessing youtube, you could try creating ~/.config/youtube-dl.conf containing this line:

--prefer-free-formats

so that if a WebM is available (it often is) it will use that instead of defaulting to MP4. If totem doesn't use youtube-dl/avideo, you could try youtube-viewer, which does.

https://github.com/trizen/youtube-viewer

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> By the way, Videos is a great way to search and view YouTube videos
without proprietary JavaScript.

I just installed it to try it out. I really don't get how it works, if I press the "search"-icon I can type in stuff to search for, but it defaults to search for stuff in my own filesystem. Now if I change the place to search for stuff from "filesystem" to "YouTube" it's suddenly not possible to type anything.

Is this a bug that someone else has experienced?

calher

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I have not tried Videos on Trisquel.  

And... oh, for crying out loud!  It doesn't work!

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Which OS were you using?

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>you could argue that Apple movie trailers is something very
specific

the word you are searching for is 'advertisement'.
And the answer to your initial question is without fail a big NO. :/