Libre YouTube?

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awauk

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Has there been any effort to create a YouTube like service for the FSF? I hate going to YT to view Stallman's speeches and such but I haven't found anything that would enable me to view those type of videos.

If there isn't one we should make one.

But of course we would need to make sure that there is no JS, Flash, etc and only provides ogg and webm formats.

I would like to see a collection of videos put together in a better format than that of the Audio-Video from GNU.

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Try viewtube.

(But...yeah, a libre version of listenonrepeat.com would be really nice!)

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If you're asking for a YouTube website equivalent, that would be SaaSS even if the FSF would somehow support it. Not a good idea in general. They're hosting https://media.libreplanet.org/ but that is for THEIR needs, and only they can upload things, so that doesn't make it SaaSS.

If you're asking for a software equivalent, well MediaGoblin is probably your best bet. It is completely freedom-compatible and also takes care of using proper codecs.

If you're asking for a way to view YouTube videos without proprietary software, what I'm currently using is the mpv player with youtube-dl in it. For example like this:
$ mpv --ytdl-format bestvideo+bestaudio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m099dYl0Rhs

This way you can even watch 1080p 60fps video if you so wish. You can always choose the format yourself. Capital L toggles looping in mpv, so you can also loop videos infinitely if you want. It's also possible to only download the audio if you're listening to music videos by choosing only the DASH audio format. Saves on bandwidth and processing power. In the end though using YouTube for streaming things means using SaaSS. But you can of course also use youtube-dl itself to just download videos that are interesting to you, at that point YouTube becomes more of a download server and you can playback everything locally using your own computer, which is probably the best method.

I would also invite you to make a MediaGoblin instance for you and your friends to use, but that involves certain costs depending on the scale. A working 3rd party instance from "someone" that seems to work quite well and that everyone can upload to is https://goblinrefuge.com but as soon as you're using other people's computers to host videos there's not much difference compared to uploading them to YouTube.

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> that would be SaaSS even if the FSF would somehow support it.

No, it isn't. YouTube is a video sharing site. Sharing videos is not your own computing. It's a communication service. There are advantages to self-hosting, but you don't have to for the sake of your freedom.

For the libre YouTube replacement, you want MediaGoblin. You can either run your own instance, or create an account on a public instance; if you're just publishing the videos for anyone to see, it doesn't matter. But if you do have the infrastructure to run your own instance, you might want to do so and make it public, if possible. :)

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Hold on, yes simple sharing of videos is not SaaSS. But YouTube encourages you instead of normal downloading of a video to always stream it to your computer via network, instead of reading video file from your hard disk. That way you're using their computers every time you want to watch a certain video. So imo if you use YouTube in its "normal" way it is SaaSS, but if you only use it to distribute and download videos, it is not.

Also you said "you don't have to for the sake of your freedom". Well, SaaSS is not really related to software freedom issue in the first place. I didn't say this was for sake of freedom.

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Streaming isn't SaaSS, either. All that means is that you watch the video at the same time as downloading it.

I think the browser should be saving copies of videos it streams. But it's not necessarily wrong to delete the copy once you're done watching it, as browsers currently do. As long as you're not using proprietary software, it's fine.

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What do you mean by SaaSS?

I am referring to a site exactly like YouTube but doesn't use JS and only webm and ogg formats and other Free software.

It would be something similar to MG but enabled for any FSF user to upload as well.

Basically creating a new free software YouTube.

I hope I am making sense. Hard to explain other than that.

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MediaGoblin doesn't require JavaScript at all, much less proprietary JavaScript, and it supports any format. It doesn't need to not support bad formats to be good, though. RMS just has a desire to never have his talks distributed in those formats, ever, which I think is a little bit over-the-top, personally.

I'm not entirely sure, but I think MediaGoblin converts all files in a bad format to a good format on the server side, so that all media is available in a good format. At least, assuming the server has the software necessary to read the bad format. But that software is libre, so I would suppose that most of them do unless they have a particular reason to worry about the patents encumbering these formats.

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Yeah, it looks like goblin refuge is similar to what im talking about...

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You wrote:
> Has there been any effort to create a YouTube like service for the FSF?
> I hate going to YT to view Stallman's speeches and such but I haven't
> found anything that would enable me to view those type of videos.

https://audio-video.gnu.org/ has a lot of Stallman's videos in formats
that favor free software and with no plugins, Javascript, or add-ons
needed. In any modern browser simply select the file you want to
download or play. Free software browsers will play them as you download
(also known as "streaming").

If you're going to make your own video hosting site, keep in mind that
bandwidth and storage considerations will ramp up out of your control as
more visitors come to the site and as you let more uploads come in.

Consider hosting your data storage on https://archive.org/ instead of
hosting it yourself, and consider using GNU MediaGoblin as the
front-end. This way you pay for hosting the GNU MediaGoblin instance and
the bulk of the storage and bandwidth is hosted by archive.org. Also
consider a regular donation to archive.org for their years of
generosity. archive.org uploads require no Javascript (upload via FTP
was an option last I looked), they'll host any format of file, and they
offer a download URL which will give you a static URL to link to (a
download URL) so you don't have to worry about archive.org relocating
your uploads.

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I wrote:
> Also consider a regular donation to archive.org for their years of
> generosity.

And GNU MediaGoblin as well: http://mediagoblin.org/pages/campaign.html
says you can donate there.

awauk

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Thank you. This is the answer that I was looking for. This gives me a better idea of what I need to do. I don't plan on implementing this at this moment but getting different ideas on how to contribute more to the Free Community.

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smtube is perfect for me once I disable javascript in the config file. It can download the vids too.

Magic Banana

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There is http://mediagoblin.org

And many rms' videos are on https://audio-video.gnu.org/video

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None that I know of. I long for a day when there is something like Twister for videos. http://twister.net.co/

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As well as MediaGoblin there is also Plumi (GPL/ZPL). For examples of Plumi sites see engagemedia.org and criticalcommons.org.

YouTube raises a number of issue for people concerned about user rights and software freedom:
1) proprietary JavaScript
2) dependence on patent-encumbered formats (Flash, H264 audio)
3) vendor lock-in: no built-in way to download instead of streaming, even for videos uploaded under CC licenses
4) centralized storage: most of the world's video uploaded to one platform, run by one company
5) centralized access: most of the world's video streamed from one platform, run by one company
6) discoverability: the popularity of YouTube means that video not hosted by YouTube is less likely to be viewed

There are a number of possible solutions, which resolve some of these problems. Using ViewTube (https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/1483-viewtube) or other ways of browsing YouTube content with free code solves only problem 1. Sites like VODO.net, which uses CC licenses and BitTorrent webseeds for distribution, solves 3, and to a limited degree 4 and 5 (in that their torrents could potentially continue being seeded by their swarms even if VODO went down). Setting up a site running MediaGoblin or Plumi solves 1, 2, 3, and if lots of people do it, that solves 4.

The really tricky problem is 5, which is a consequence of 6. I've made a number of attempts to look for audio-visual material outside of YouTube, especially video under CC license. It exists, but its much harder to find what I'm looking for than if I use YouTube. Even search.creativecommons.org only searches for video on YouTube.

What's really needed is a dedicated video search platform, accessible both on the web and from inside media players like VLC and Miro. The user would be able to toggle between:
* searches across all video hosting sites on the internet or only those running free code on their servers
* searches for video in any format, or only in libre formats
* searches for video under any license conditions, or only video licensed under a specific license (eg Artistic License) or suite of licenses (eg CC licenses)

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GPL peer-to-peer search: http://yacy.net/en/index.html Maybe that can be folded in somehow?

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> Has there been any effort to create a YouTube-like service for the FSF?

Isn't audio-video.gnu.org good enough? I mean, they don't host that many
videos or things, do they?

Speaking of YouTube replacements in general, there's always goblinrefuge.com.

A question- I'm trying to sign up for a Goblin Refuge account, but I cannot
complete the captcha in IceCat, either with or without JS. Help? I'll have to
resort to Abrowser, otherwise.