Masking came along at the perfect time for reasons of personal privacy (not a pro-mask/anti-mask rant)

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andyprough
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As I said in the title - this is not a pro-mask or anti-mask rant.

I've noticed something very strange in recent years - anytime I go into any kind of big "name brand" store, or go near any kind of established government or community building or center - there are now cameras literally EVERYWHERE recording my every move. Every traffic light seems to have a camera now, many street lamps have them. And now probably up to half of my neighbors have "Ring" doorbells (or other nitwit doorbell security cameras) that record everything. And cars are being built with cameras all over the body to help with self-driving. I'm suddenly living in a complete surveillance state, where my every step is tracked with pinpoint precision by thousands of local cameras. I live in a little neighborhood right behind a shopping center. Just within 1 square mile of my house, I would not be surprised if there aren't several thousand cameras now, running 24/7, recording my every move from multiple angles as soon as I step out my front door.

And I have to assume that somewhere between 50% and 100% of all this digital recording is being sucked up into various cloudy storage locations, where facial recognition software is hard at work recognizing me in every moment of video. And between Amazon, Google, Facebook, Microsoft, the NSA, etc etc etc, all this data about my face is being stored and passed around among numerous databases.

Which brings me to my point. Masking may be the greatest thing to ever come along in terms of clawing back some semblance of privacy. I might never stop wearing this mask. And I don't just wear a little paper mask - I wear a big wrap-around thing that covers nearly my entire face and my neck and the back of my head. Years from now, when people laugh at me because I'm still wearing my big masks, I'll have the last laugh. Their most recent pimples are all being analyzed by a massive AI bot army. My dimples and wrinkles will be safely tucked away. I'll stand out like a sore thumb because no one else will be wearing a mask. But no one will be analyzing satellite imagery of my razor stubble with a Chinese super computer.

In this thread, I'll explore some other related issues. How to take advantage of covid19 best practices to start to take back your biometrics (think wearing gloves, sunglasses and masks at all times, except in your own home or yard). How to blend into your environment and "disappear" (these techniques will be different than full-head masking in many cases). Reverse engineering the surveillance state - using masks with pre-printed human features to confuse and defeat the AI bot armies. Getting a completely anonymous burner phone. Leaving your phone at home in a faraday cage - what was once the realm of the tinfoil hat crazy brigade is suddenly a very real concern of anyone with a shred of concern about personal privacy. Confusing and defeating the constant attempts at biometric detection of your eyes and fingerprints. We can go in many different directions with this thread.

Let's have fun. Wrap that tinfoil tightly around your head before you post your responses here...

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People's privacy is only possible in democratic countries. There are two types of countries, democratic and fascist.

Fascist regimes cannot become democratic ones without proletarian violent revolution, but democratic countries can become fascist ones gradually and peacefully, as their crises worsening.

Therefore, cherish your democracy when you still have it. It can be lost at any singular time (i.e., when fascists seize power).

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> "democratic countries can become fascist ones gradually and peacefully, as their crises worsening."

> "Therefore, cherish your democracy when you still have it. It can be lost at any singular time (i.e., when fascists seize power)."

All that you say there is true. America is not a democracy but instead is a Constitutional Republic, but I'm sure you are talking about the general concept of democracy.

But it's not only fascists that can grab power. Currently we have a situation in both our countries where the wealthy elites have grabbed power in a form of oligarchy.

A scholar named Jeffrey Winters has defined a form of oligarchy that describes America fairly well - a "civil oligarchy".[1] It's a structure in which wealthy elites are actually ruling, but the nation retains certain democratic processes, and independent civilian bodies are allowed to control certain aspects of society such as the police.

From what I know of China, I would say it is controlled by a "ruling oligarchy", which Winters defines as a collective of oligarchs that rule over a country with a high degree of coordination in order to defend and enhance their own personal wealth. Ruling oligarchies are usually contrasted to "warring oligarchies", where oligarchs are pitted against each other individually for conflicts over wealth and power.

One of the characteristics of fascist rule is the mobilization of an entire population for war. I think that the oligarchs that rule America and China want to avoid real war because of its significant financial risks. They aren't afraid of a small amount of war among goat-herders in a far off place like Iraq or Syria or Afghanistan or in the Himalayan mountains along the borders with India, but I don't think they want a real war that requires complete national mobilization like during World War 2.

[1] https://archive.org/details/oligarchy0000wint

lanun
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I think you are right. I think the USA is the fundamentally peaceful country of Mikey Mouse, hell-bent on bringing peace and democracy to Earth by any means, at any cost, whatever that means. And with the massive support of the generous donations of an entire population of captive benevolent taxpayers. Were it not for those stubborn, quarrelsome, parochial goat herders, all would already be living in cosmic harmony. Drat them.

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andyprough
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Afghanistan will likely have its own billionaire oligarch class soon, as they begin to trade hundreds of billions of dollars worth of lithium and other rare earth metals (some say trillions) with a battery-craving western world. They may explore other types of oligarchy described by Jeffrey Winters as "warring oligarchy" (tribal or feudal oligarchs at war with each other to control one country) and "sultanistic oligarchy" (one ruling oligarch has autocratic control, handing out fiefdoms to lower oligarchs to control according to the ruler's wishes). Middle eastern nations seem to use these two methods more frequently.

Which brings up an interesting privacy-focused question: of the billions and trillions the world will throw into battery production and use over the next decade, what percentage of the battery power of each device will be used to spy on its owner and report back to a big tech corporation and/or a government surveillance organization?

Probably the smart privacy-minded people have already gotten rid of anything with a battery in it.

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> “They aren't afraid of a small amount of war among goat-herders in a far off place like Iraq or Syria or Afghanistan or in the Himalayan mountains along the borders with India”
Wo Dude did you forget to look closer to home..? Did you forget about running in fear from Fidel Castro at the Bay of Pigs?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Pigs_Invasion
Hey you “parochial goat herders” sorry - parochial cow herders or should I say Cowpokes or Rednecks be brave and pick on some poor people where you just know you can win – Ronald says so - perhaps a tiny, tiny island like Granada - codenamed Operation Urgent Fury by the U.S. military.
Now we find you Trumping and running away again leaving yet another almighty mess with thousands massacred for nothing. Sorry US defence contractors excepted.
Always follow the money.

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US policy toward Cuba continues to be terrible. Trump put them on the "state sponsors of terrorism" list (a political tool), and Biden intends to keep it that way. This is all to appease some Cuban voters in Florida, a state that won't vote for him anyway.

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Guess this part of USA meddling is going to sound familiar to you…. “The President signs into law an act of Congress approving $100 million of military and “humanitarian” aid for the Contras. Unfortunately for Ronald Reagan and his advisors, the Iran-Contra scandal is just about to break wide open, seriously compromising their goal of overthrowing the leftist Sandinista government in Nicaragua.”
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/u-s-aid-to-contras-signed-into-law
How history repeats….?
Again completely missed by the Cowpokes and Rednecks whilst dancing with snakes or torturing goat herders. Don’t they got barbers where you come from – boy? Don’t got history teachers neither apparently!

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Actually, my history teachers in high school taught me about all of this. I probably don't look anything like your stereotype of an American - I wasn't alive when any of this happened and none of my family was in America. I agree with you, our country (along with other imperial powers such as the UK) has done a lot of terrible things, especially in Latin America (Mexico, Chile, Guatemala, Honduras, Cuba, etc).

Andy
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> "the UK) has done a lot of terrible things, especially in Latin America (Mexico, Chile, Guatemala, Honduras, Cuba"
Did not know UK was involved in these countries..? Please explain

Legimet
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The US was involved in those countries, I'm not sure if the UK was. But the UK has done similar things in the rest of the world. I would suggest reading a bit about the UK's atrocities in India (I am of Indian descent), such as the Bengal famine, which was a result of policies by Winston Churchill. Also Iran, where the US and UK together overthrew a democratically elected government to install a corrupt dictator. As well as the concentration camps in South Africa during the Second Boer war. I can list many other examples if you want. Our countries are both terrible.

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I did quote you exactly.... Glad you made that correction.
Yes we are just US performing poodles in he UK and our people just lap it up... begging for more (excuse the puns)
To make matters even worse we now have an American Clown as Prime Minister... born in the USA. The same clown who sold our dumb US *** licking people Brexit for which we are now paying a heavy price and standards slipping through the floor.
I do hear that your Sikh farmers are none too happy with changes requested by USA Inc and accepted by your poodle government.
Did you learn nothing from – USA Union Carbide subsidiary Bhopal disaster, also referred to as the Bhopal gas tragedy, was a gas leak incident on the night of 2–3 December 1984 at the Union Carbide India Limited (UCIL) pesticide plant in Bhopal, Madhya Pradesh, India. It is considered among the world's worst industrial disasters. Over 500,000 people were exposed to methyl isocyanate gas. The highly toxic substance made its way into and around the small towns located near the plant.
Estimates vary on the death toll. The official immediate death toll was 2,259. In 2008, the Government of Madhya Pradesh had paid compensation to the family members of 3,787 victims killed in the gas release, and to 574,366 injured victims. A government affidavit in 2006 stated that the leak caused 558,125 injuries, including 38,478 temporary partial injuries and approximately 3,900 severely and permanently disabling injuries.[5] Others estimate that 8,000 died within two weeks, and another 8,000 or more have since died from gas-related diseases.
Don’t you just love those Cowpokes and Rednecks…? Remember OUR SHARED VALUES speeches... You will need a GAS MASK for that...!

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Yes, as a person of Indian descent I know about the Union Carbide disaster. I oppose western imperialism, and I acknowledge all the bad things that the US, UK, Portugal, France, and other countries have done. You and I can go on and on listing these atrocities. But ultimately there isn't anything I can do, I'm just a student with no political power. There's no way that the average person can do anything to reign in the CIA.

EDIT: By the way, if you're interested, the UK actually did work with the US in Latin America (e.g. in Chile):
https://tribunemag.co.uk/2021/01/britains-cold-war-in-latin-america-then-and-now
https://jacobinmag.com/2018/11/uk-colombia-political-violence-bp-drug-war-counterinsurgency
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-55230503

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Well Legimet you are well placed to be in the USA and like others there seem to be afflicted with selective amnesia and an abhorrence of reality. Did you somehow forget India in your list….the mass slaughter by your own people on each other? So bad on a scale never seen before in an unnamed civil war..? Still struggling to remember the thousands of victims – women children and babies slaughtered…? The Times, London: “2,37,000 Muslims were systematically exterminated” 600,000 in 7 days – Now do you remember?
As with your jibe - “What if you wear a burka? Lol”
KKK hood or turban; guess you find not so funny Lol…! “What’s that hanging from your tree – looks like *** folk to me – Frank Zappa RIP. Now let me see; could I guess your Indian heritage…?
I was born and grew up in “the rivers of blood” town yet found friends; Indian Sikh and West Indian or Jamaican. I also witnessed our race riots first hand. Yet was occasionally gobsmacked by my Sikh friend and his open racist verbal attacks on Indian Muslims. So here we have a Sikh subject to racist abuse, racially abusing others! Now we have Brexit born out of overt racism yet freely handing over our country to the USA.
If you are a student without a vote then keep your head down and don’t go on Stop the War marches like I did in London.
As for > “There's no way that the average person can do anything to reign in the CIA.” Well we did re Vietnam and the war in Iraq WMD crap etc. Stay Safe
ps just back from hospital having a hole dug in my scalp by a lady goat herder after previous surgery by other goat herders.. What is left of our NHS could not survive without them – care homes neither!

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Actually, it seems like you're the one with selective amnesia, berating random Americans on the Internet while denying the atrocities committed by your own country. Only a small minority of Brits regret their history of imperialism, while far more are proud of it (see links at the bottom of post). Winston Churchill is considered a hero in the UK and in the US despite his crimes against humanity. It's laughable that someone from Britain of all countries thinks they can scold a regular person on the Internet just because they're from America. Britain is no better than the US when it comes to imperialism and war. Maybe you would get along with people on this forum if you stopped pretending to be better than everyone else? You don't know other people's circumstances; last year I campaigned for the most anti-war candidate in the presidential primaries, and he lost.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/worst-atrocities-british-empire-amritsar-boer-war-concentration-camp-mau-mau-a6821756.html
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/11/uk-more-nostalgic-for-empire-than-other-ex-colonial-powers

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So you make racist remarks to win friends amongst the other racists – that figures! As I said you are well placed in the USA. You would do well over here in UK where our “born in the USA” clown leader remarked “look like a letter-box”
You then fail to acknowledge the mass exterminations in your own country India - 2,37,000 Muslims were systematically exterminated” 600,000 in 7 days. Don’t remember slaughter on that scale in UK so will take no impudent lecture from you.
At least the USA have just acknowledged that the 2 year old girls among ten strong family of US aid worker were wiped out – slaughtered in yet another “mistake” by USA intelligence, over the horizon, drone missile strike on 29th August . Do I need to tell you of their claims about the massacre as they fled the scene in defeat with their tails between their legs after 20 years and multi trillion dollar expenditure war machine against goat herders? Have a nice day

andyprough
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This is a set of different human faces masks that can be bought on ebay. If someone were to buy a bunch of different ones, rotate them daily, wear them all the time when not at home, I think it would break all the facial recognition AI.

It would be like using an anti-fingerprinting extension on your web browser like the Chameleon extension, that can report a different user agent string for your browser every ten minutes or so. It might report that you are using the latest Chrome on Windows 10, and then ten minutes later it reports that you are using Safari on a Mac, and ten minutes later says you are using Firefox mobile on an Android tablet, and then that you are using Firefox on a Linux desktop, and just constantly shuffles the data. Internet browser fingerprinting AI has to look for some other way to identify and track you.

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lanun
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Not so long ago, France passed harsh laws to ban face covering in public places. You were not even supposed to wear a scarf around your chin in winter, according to these so-called "anti-terrorist" laws. We are now left wondering where these laws have suddenly gone, at some point last year.

The laws came at a time when "video protection" (i.e. video surveillance) had already become widespread in both public and private spaces. I had taken to wearing party glasses which changed the color of my eyes and gave me a reddish nose and a small mustache, but mandatory masks made this totally unnecessary.

Morphing into a toad was the nail in the coffin of my worries.

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There's a mask for that.

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lanun
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Toadally classy.

Andy
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How many children did the US just kill.
Who is locked up in the UK at the request of the US for exposing other US war crimes? The torture never stops - FZ.
Great to see the bull shitters shipping out with their tails between their legs again just like Vietnam. Agent Orange, Mỹ Lai massacre, Thanh Phong massacre, Sơn Thắng massacre etc.
Try masking that stench of hypocrisy!

Just a few of the 500 massacred by US Army at Mỹ Lai....

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andyprough
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Yup

Legimet
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What if you wear a burka? Lol

andyprough
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New report out today on the US federal government's expanding use of facial recognition technology[1].

It's a Brave New World out there folks - mask up for privacy!

[1] https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-21-526

lanun
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These magic glasses might prove much more useful than I thought they would when I bought them, about twenty years ago, for that fancy-dress party. Now the fancy-dress party is going to be permanent. Investment in a full wardrobe of outfits is required, because if you always wear the same one, you'll easily be tracked.

Except of course if we manage to choose stricly identical costumes, including headgear, and we all wear them all the time in public places. It's tricky. It seems that whatever we do, we'll end up as clones, serving the powers that be.

Although, as a toad, I will always stand out in a crowd of humans. I'm doomed. If only I could morph back to penguin and join the throng.

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My Chinese neighbor told me today that China's body recognition software is so good that they can track you regardless of what you wear on your face. Going to have to wear a full medieval suit of plate armor every time I walk to the grocery I guess. Whatever surveillance technology China is using well today will be hungrily slurped up for use against us by our western oligarch masters in a very short window of time.

lanun
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When you think about it, they seem to have already managed to make their tracking job much simpler by permanently bombarding the masses with such frightening news that nobody wants to leave their home anymore. That is a clever tactic: the easiest way to track people is to keep them in one place, so you do not have to track them at all. The similarity with online tracking is striking: just entice your docile cattle to gather on the same few platforms and you do not need to go for their data any more, only to grab them all at once, censor at will and curate discourse. Fear and laziness are the two best assets of Big Brother.

Anyway, my amphibian brain cannot really grasp such a big picture. It all feels like some smarter forms of life have managed to make their own life easier at the expense of the rest of us, willy-nilly. Although we always have a choice, whatever it means for us poor lower forms of life. If evolution has produced our current corrupted system, maybe we can only accept it, or die, both of which would in effect reinforce the current state of things. Maybe, to the contrary, enough people are going to awaken and realize that another society is possible, and that it is worth giving it a try. Sometimes it is when things seem to have become totally grim and helpless that a new path is found, out of the darkness. For the time being, I cannot see much momentum to any sort of lasting change, nor any decent and coherent enough proposition for that to happen. I hope I am being too pessimistic.

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Evil Genius: "God isn’t interested in technology. He cares nothing for the microchip or the silicon revolution. Look how he spends his time: forty-three species of parrots! Nipples for men!"

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>> “I wear a big wrap-around thing that covers nearly my entire face and my neck and the back of my head”
So do these KKK guys but they too won’t wear medical masks even in their 4th wave of Covid – read the small print in the picture

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Samurai did it right. Even their horses were well disguised against facial recognition AI.

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lanun
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True. In fact it is impossible to tell which one is the horse, and which one is the samurai.

EDIT: I seem to have been spotted nearby my favorite pond: https://redandthepeanut.blogspot.com/2015/08/an-american-toad-visits-pond.html. Not sure how to mitigate that unfortunate tracking mistake.

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Must be rather unsettling for those unlucky wives of samurais. To not be able to tell if they are kissing their husband or his horse.

lanun
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Oh the merry wifes of samurais.

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> EDIT: I seem to have been spotted nearby my favorite pond: https://redandthepeanut.blogspot.com/2015/08/an-american-toad-visits-pond.html. Not sure how to mitigate that unfortunate tracking mistake.

And naked as the day you were born too. You shouldn't be dragging this thread down into the depraved depths of toad pR0n though.

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> dragging this thread down into the depraved depths

Was it not foreseeable that a topic with "masking" in its title could only go astray?

Even irony seems to have been lost in the process, which is always a bad omen.

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Ianun > “I think you are right. I think the USA is the fundamentally peaceful country of Mikey Mouse, hell-bent on bringing peace and democracy to Earth by any means, at any cost, whatever that means.”

Dumb Ass Dubya! George Bush Cries Over End Of War He Started on Goat Herders!
https://odysee.com/@thedivewithjackson:0/george-bush-cries-over-end-of-war-he:9
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhmdEq3JhoY
He got it wrong there – thought they were all Saudis who flew in…? You know those camel herder friends who murdered that reporter in their embassy and then dissolved his body in acid – we just love those oil rich guys, except that Ossama dude who the CIA trained.
“Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.”
― George W. Bush - https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/tag/bushism
Dubya > “Fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again.”
Holy Cr4p – listen to his brother Jeb. How could anyone be even worse….?
How many times did they vote for a dumb fool – remember Ronald – the president’s brain is missing?
Will they ever learn that you cannot go assassinating people around the world killing women, children even babies, with cowardly drone strikes, kidnap, rape and torture without any comeback?
Having others prosecuted “Brought to Justice” whilst granting themselves immunity from ICC prosecution for their own hideous war crimes. If anyone tries to gather evidence of war crimes by the USA they face immediate arrest and all news is shut down – ask Julian Assange locked away in Bellmarsh High Security Prison UK. Now US and UK making it a criminal offence to divulge the truth whilst at the same time demonising China, Russia etc etc. Ah! – The Land of the Free....
Try masking that stench of gross hypocrisy!
War on Iran next? Proxy or direct? What phoney excuse by the spin doctors this time…?
“See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda.”
― George W. Bush