Minifree now selling libre routers with libreCMC preinstalled :)

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libreleah
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That's odd, 98euros seems like alot...

Not trying to be rude,

I got mine for less. Of course I did install librecmc myself, but it wasn't really hard.

I am puzzled.

Either way, there are a lot of those routers. So it does make sense to sell them with librecmc on them.

;)

Edit: Are those refurbished? Just wondering, if not, then the price could be more than worth it.

libreleah
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Well yes they are refurbished. It's not possible to buy these routers new anymore. However, they're in excellent condition. Routers tend to last many years.

gd_scania
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But also, any libre NAS aka mini servers, technically named network-attached storages?

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The price.. good Lord

At first glance the price does indeed seem expensive. However, when searching online for the price, it seems that this router is sold new for at least 139 dollars, so minifree's product is competitively priced.

https://www.cnet.com/products/netgear-n600-dual-band-gigabit-router-premium-edition/prices/

I got mine for less. Of course I did install librecmc myself, but it wasn't really hard.

I'm guessing you only replaced the router's firmware (e.g. via the browser interface) without the bootloader. The minifree version will also contain a free bootloader (uboot) unlike the manufacturer's version.

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does the original one not have a free bootloader after librecmc, if so, I will retract any statements I can.

aloniv

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Apparently, u-boot can be upgraded within LibreCMC if you build the correct image (if the default build does not already support this - I do not know). Hopefully, the minifree versions will support this feature (and provide links to working u-boot images).

https://github.com/pepe2k/u-boot_mod
http://www.8devices.com/wiki/openwrt:recipes:build_mtdblock0_writeable:for_u-boot_upgrade_with_writeable_mtdblock0_1_partitions

I'm not sure if the manufacturer's u-boot binary can be easily built from the source code provided (e.g. the build scripts might be missing) and that it does not contain blobs so I'm not sure it's free (although a free version could be made from the sources and flashed).

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Yeah the price isn't that much higher than if you were to buy the router yourself. If you're lucky you can get it for like 80 EUR. But then you have to source it yourself and make sure it's the right version (not all of them support libreCMC. minifree makes sure to get the ones that are supported).

Also the wndr3800 is the most high-end router that you can get which can be run entirely libre.

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Interesting, I had no idea. I wonder if it is more expensive in other countries...

Just so you know, wdnr3800 has only two versions. Both supported, one is china and one is not. Unless they made new ones since I got mine.

Does librecmc remove all blobs from it? just wondering, including bootloader?

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The wndr3800 as sold by Netgear already has a free bootloader (uboot) and they provide source code. This can also be replaced by uboot_mod, but freedom-wise this is unnecessary, though it may unlock more features. I'm currently waiting on a large shipment of these routers, and I will be re-flashing the bootloader on all of them.

However, Netgear sells these routers with a non-free operating system. Minifree replaces that operating system with libreCMC, which is FSF-endorsed. These routers are then sold with libreCMC.

libreleah
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one other thing... these routers are really hard to get in europe. most of them are in USA. so I import them in bulk from suppliers in the US. This means that european customers who buy from minifree won't have to deal with expensive USA-European shipping. Plus UK-European shipping is much faster than if you were to import one from USA yourself.

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Ah, thanks for clarifying. It is a shame though that you don't have a disributor to buy them from who lives in america to send them to you for a good price. :(

I thought that was the case though.

gd_scania
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If MiniFree also offers Bitcoins payments it isn’t that hard to get, unless you nation doesn‘t have Bitcoin ATMs at all.

libreleah
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minifree doesn't currently accept bitcoin

northernarcher
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Good to know.

alimiracle
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I got mine for 20$
and install librecmc myself

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Really? I got mine for 40$?

In any case Leah's new price tag isn't too far out of my interest if I need another one. :)

alimiracle
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In my country these type of routers is so cheap
and Still in the box (un use)

libreleah
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well the extra 25 EUR overhead is paying for convenience... of having everything done for you in advance. and also support in case you need it (I provide free tech support to all customers. I'm quite knowledgeable with networking, and a skilled sysadmin, so I can answer most questions about these routers)

libreleah
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Hey everyone :)

I listened to feedback, and concluded that the price was still too high.

Therefore, I've made a final price reduction: the router is now 50 EUR on Minifree.

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I think that will do well for people. I like that idea. I am sure this will go over so much better.

:)