Release of gNewSense 4 (beta) codenamed Ucclia

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Mangy Dog

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Sam Geeraerts
annouced earlier this week:

I hereby announce the release of gNewSense 4, codenamed Ucclia. It's
based on a solid Debian, modified to respect the Free Software
Foundation's and is available for 3 architectures: i386, amd64 and
mipsel (Lemote Yeeloong).

Torrents ([1], [2]) for the live DVD images are available, as well
as direct downloads ([3], [4]) and netboot images ([5], [6], [7]).

[1]
http://cdimage.gnewsense.org/gnewsense-live-4.0-amd64-gnome.iso.torrent
[2]
http://cdimage.gnewsense.org/gnewsense-live-4.0-i386-gnome.iso.torrent
[3] http://cdimage.gnewsense.org/gnewsense-live-4.0-amd64-gnome.iso [4]
http://cdimage.gnewsense.org/gnewsense-live-4.0-i386-gnome.iso [5]
http://archive.gnewsense.org/gnewsense/dists/ucclia/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[6]
http://archive.gnewsense.org/gnewsense/dists/ucclia/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[7]
http://archive.gnewsense.org/gnewsense/dists/ucclia/main/installer-mipsel/current/images/loongson-2f/netboot/

Kind regards,
Sam Geeraerts

Based on Debian 7 (wheezy), LTS until 2018

loldier
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Beta?

I see, it's based on Wheezy.

Magic Banana

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Indeed. Fortunately, Debian now has an LTS team. Wheezy (oldstable) was handed over to it to take over security support until May 2018: https://www.debian.org/News/2016/20160425

That said, the versions of the programs remain old. Even in comparison with Trisquel 7. And the release of Trisquel 8 hopefully is within a couple of months.

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The Debian security team only support i386 and AMD64 architectures. This means that gNewSense's developers are going to have trouble supporting the MIPS-based Leemote Yeeloong. I hope they rebase off Debian 8.

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This distro is irrelevant due to how old the packages are. It's best to wait for Trisquel 8 which hopefully releases this month.

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That's mean. A free version of Debian is important.
GNewSense is old but at least there are still security updates. Is Trisquel 7 irrelevant because it has old packages? They are of a similar age to the ones in gNewSense 4!

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Not all packages get security updates in Debian. Sometimes, upstream makes fixes that Debian ends up never backporting, especially for less popular packages.

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Yes, and Ubuntu does this too. The 'universe' and 'multiverse' repositories are left to rot until the next Ubuntu release.
What I'm saying is that this similar criticism should be applied to Trisquel too. The packages here are of the same age as gNewSense 4.

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Thank you

root_vegetable,Grimlock ,Calinou ,loldier,icvatt ;-)

here's a
gNewSense 2.3 deltah + GNOME 2 or so

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That's exactly (!) what I meant with the age and security problem ;)
Getting the ISO wasn't easy, no mirrors have even torrent files of this beauty, I had to look for them somewhere else...
at least there still was a good person that kept on seeding. If you are reading this, thank you. I won't let it disappear (what unfortunately happened to deltad, if someone has the original v1.1 ISOs, please seed or upload them somewhere).

Can it be ran from USB ? I couldn't, even using the method advised for parkes.

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Even the site gnewsense.org is down...

Wayback Machine to the rescue. At least it's possible to browse old snapshots.

https://web.archive.org/web/20070105172507/http://www.gnewsense.org/

I don't know if these download links work. The first starts downloading but fails at approximately 100 MB. Could be my own connection that's not reliable. The second: "not found". I tried wget --continue but it won't resume.

https://web.archive.org/web/20080517075450/http://cdimage.gnewsense.org/

https://web.archive.org/web/20081205013103/http://heanet.archive.gnewsense.org/

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Yes, that's where I got these torrent files from. I tried downloading ISOs then and also was able to get only ~100MB. I guess this is happens to everyone.

I found, though, VirtualBox disk images. You can get them from here: https://virtualboxes.org/images/gnewsense/

Still, I'd like to have the original media.

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I downloaded Deltah 2.3 from Sourceforge.

http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/opensourcelinux/gnewsense-livecd-deltah-i386-2.3.iso

Md5sum checks.

https://web.archive.org/web/20100304230248/http://cdimage.gnewsense.org/MD5SUMS

897d81b3c2493b4779dea45d6b7f041c gnewsense-livecd-deltah-i386-2.3.iso

gnewsense.png gnewsense_23_deltah.png gnewsense_wallpaper6.png gnome.png
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That's when it was based on Ubuntu.
I like the old logo better ;'-(

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Michael Larabel @ Phoronix put a screenshot of 1.0 (and a description that it was based on Ubuntu) to go with the news article on Ucclia's release. They never bother to read the description (or the article) but take a quick passing glance at the screenshot to make their minds up.

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=gNewSense-4-Released

The image in the article is from gNewSense 1.0 which was released 10 years ago, so of course it will look dated. The current version looks just like a regular Gnome 3 desktop. Not sure if you still think that's ugly. It's almost as if Michael purposely chose the crappiest image he could find to make it look worse than it actually is.

gnewsense4.png gnewsense4_old_wp.png
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The site is down due to high traffic. The server is not liking it. It is probably from renewed interest in the project (I joined the mailing list for instance).
You can still access the site if you wait a short time though.

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I think this old package argument is just silly. If the operating system can do everything you need it to do, and if it is being kept secure, then there really isn't a problem. And since GNU/Linux is awesome, a lot of times you can just update the stuff you need updated manually.

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Even if it's old, it's better for them to release it. Lacking help and resources, this must have been the best strategy, better than being left without a somewhat less outdated release than the version before. There should be a use case for this distro even if it's on last legs. There might be some renewed interest. Let's hope they will find the means and energy to keep it relevant.

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I tried Ucclia on a live session from a USB. Quite responsive and nice looking. Default Gnome 3 can be changed to Classic. I didn't see any GnewSense related artwork. Iceweasel the browser defaulted to Google search.

gnewsense4_ucclia.png gnewsense4_ucclia2.png
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The wallpaper does have a logo, it's just covered by the bottom panel by default. Plus, the graphical installer has one.

Been waiting for the release for a long time. When it comes to software age, some might prefer older software that just works or their hardware isn't powerful enough to handle newer releases. Also, for some people security updates might not be necessary as they use their machines while being completely disconnected; for reasons that don't require Internet connection at all.

gns-inside-wide.png logo.png
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I see. My screen is 16:9 and the wallpaper is not scaled properly. The logo is out of sight. Is there a way to change scaling, zoom or fit?

*EDIT*

Nevermind. I found it.

gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.background picture-options "stretched"

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Oh, instead of messing with these settings, a wide wallpaper could have been used - the one I attached is located in /usr/share/images/desktop-base/ and is called gns-inside-wide.png (the default one which gave so much trouble is called gns-inside.png)

You can get to the graphical background-"configurator" and choose another wallpaper manually, can't you ?

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Desktop background selector window has no fill option (no options at all) if I go there through settings or right mouse click on the desktop. Only when I select a wallpaper in a folder and set it as a wallpaper will it ask how to fill it.

*EDIT*

I think I get it now. I have to add (+) a picture, go to a folder and then I can fill or zoom. The default seems to be 'zoom'. The preselected wallpapers are fill-it-all, it doesn't matter how they are scaled and so there is no option for them. So, yes, I can do it manually (gns-inside-wide.png).

no_fill.png wallpaper_fill.png
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GnewSense 5 out in a speedier manner, maybe. It's good they seem to be determined to push ahead.

http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/gnewsense-dev/2016-05/msg00000.html

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=gNewSense-5-Planning