suggestions for trisquel mini
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dsw, for applications I think it's better to err on the side of what's the default in LXDE (if we choose LXDE) rather than go through the controversy of deciding which application is best for each specific task. It's simpler to maintain packages that way.
There are certainly exceptions, though. For example, wicd is definitely better than LXDE's default network manager (at least, that's my impression. I've never tried LXDE), so it should be used instead.
I second the idea of replicating the appearance of Trisquel main for Trisquel Mini. We should make Mini look as much like the main Trisquel distro as possible.
EDIT: Scratch that. I actually have tried LXDE, when I used Parted Magic. It was quite good, and as lightweight as can be. :)
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The problem with LXDE is GDM... IMHO, GDM is not so "Mini".
But I understand the choice to maintain packages easily...
By the way, OpenBox is certainly easy to maintain too... Isn't it?
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LXDE has recently gotten its own login/display manager, LXDM (see http://blog.lxde.org/?p=531). But apparently we're going to use GDM anyway...hmm. Multiple people on that blog page share the opinion that GDM, far from being lightweight, is a "monster". I'll ask quidam about thi decision in IRC.
IMHO, LXDE has enough useful, well-integrated packages to be a better option than OpenBox + a hand-picked suite of basic applications. I imagine it's simpler to begin with LXDE and make exceptions to it where needed.
I downloaded the Debian 5.0.4 LXDE Live CD to check out LXDE. I figured of all the distros with LXDE versions Debian would have the least non-free software. Running on a Pentium 4 with 256MB it was much faster than live versions of Gnome. My Trisquel machine is an AMD Sempron 3300+ with 2GB so it should fly on that one. I should try it on an AMD K6-II with 256MB I have to see what happens. Even with OpenOffice it was fast.
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PartedMagic had LXDE and was lightning-fast when I tried it, but that distribution so disrespected freedom as to include Google Chrome (not even Chromium) for a while.
Of course, using OpenOffice.org, an example of kitchen sink software, so sort of defeats the purpose of lightweight.
So what are you trying to say Andrew, that OpenOffice.org is large? Kind of like the Atlantic Ocean is deep. Besides OpenOffice, they included Gimp, Ice Weasel, PCFileMan plus several small utilities; no audio or video players and no games. The LXDE website references the Debian version, and although they included the heavyweight packages I wanted to try a version that was built for LXDE rather than start with a Gnome version and add LXDE (I hope the terminology is correct). I don't know how many residual Gnome things are still used if you start with something using Gnome as default (such as Ubuntu or Trisqeul), add LXDE, and then run an LXDE session.
Ubuntu is also developing an LXDE version called Lubuntu but I don't know the status of it.
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If I'm not wrong, OO.o is the single largest application in our distribution (well, it's actually comprised of a few different stand-alone applications, but each one is quite large in itself).
Last time I checked, Lubuntu was close to an official release.
Trisquel Mini will follow Lubuntu pretty closely, in sort of the same way that we follow Ubuntu for Trisquel main.
I've installed LXDE with Synaptic tonight.
In the list of installed packages, I see 'openbox', 'openbox-themes' and 'obconf'... (in lxde-core too)
Add 'obmenu' and you'll obtain the complete list of packages of Openbox!
I think that you need openbox and openbox-themes to get windows decorations with LXDE.
In the other hand, LXDE installs Leafpad too. IMO, Leafpad is a *very* basic text editor.
To be honest, I'm going to explain what I'll do when Trisquel Mini will be released (if it is released with lxde)
1. "Oh! gdm is too weighty for me":
apt-get remove gdm --> apt-get install lxdm
2. "Oh! leafpad is too basic for me":
apt-get remove leafpad --> apt-get install geany
3. "Oh! there is alreadey xterm installed by default":
apt-get remove lxterminal
4. "Oh! there is already openbox, openbox-themes and obconf installed":
apt-get remove lxde --> apt-get install obmenu
To summarize:
LXDE | Openbox
gpicview | gpicview
leafpad | geany
lx-appearance | lx-appearance
lxde-common | lxpanel
lxde-core | obconf
lxpanel | openbox
lxsession | openbox-themes
lxterminal | pcmanfm
obconf | xarchiver
openbox | xscreensaver
openbox-themes | xmms2
pcmanfm |
xarchiver |
xscreensaver |
xmms2 |
Where is the "mini" one ? Left or right?
I don't want to argue with you and be sure I'm not angry ;-)
I simply don't understand why it's so easy to maintain LXDE and so difficult to maintain Openbox.
When I see the work made for the main version of Trisquel with a big desktop environment like GNOME, I don't understand what the difficulty represents the integration of Openbox.
To quote your previous answer, I think that LXDE *is* the exception...
But who am I to say things like that ?
PS: please, excuse my bad english again