Support Lisa's fundraiser today

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tct
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Remember this former FSF sysadmin?

https://fsf.org/blogs/community/for-ada-lovelace-day-highlighting-fsf-sysadmin-lisa-maginnis

She's running a fundraiser to help her go on with her life with dignity, a life dedicated to helping others by working for the advancement of the free software and human rights movements.

https://www.youcaring.com/lisamariemaginnis-779455/

Probably she was the one person that suffered most from the scandal we all know about. I have donated for her cause and I encourage that you do too. Half the funds are still not raised and time is running out (only 14 days left)

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Jesus, she's been on the queue for three years, already put her deposit down, and already got plane tickets...
She's only $7k off!
I'll try to contribute-- come on mates!

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Can you tell what happened? Did lovelace say, she got harassed while working at fsf? Then rowe sided with lovelace? Then rowe retracted what she said and did about lovelace's harass claim? Does lovelace maintain, that she got harassed by fsf? Is it about lovelace cannot produce evidence that harassment took place? Why cannot lovelace return to fsf? Or she does not want to return to fsf? Did fsf dismiss lovelace? Why did they dismiss lovelace? If fsf personnel in fact harassed lovelace and she could have obtained evidence, had she worn surveillance gear, it is despicable fsf will not acknowledge their wrongdoing, because I do not think fsf is in favor of surveillance. No american organizations that can provide her support?

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I don't think that by donating we endorse someone's side of the story. She needs her help to move on with her life and do more good to society. Let's put aside drama. We're better than that.

tonlee
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>I don't think that by donating we endorse someone's side of the story.
I do not either. Apparently you believe I do. I asked the questions because I want to know what took place? For me it is important to know if maginnis, I got the names from fsf's website mixed up, maintains her accusations. If they are valid, then fsf not acknowledging makes it worse.
I understand that now it is a matter of providing means of payment. I do not think she will gather the required amount on her crowd funding website. Has she asked relevant organizations if they can do something?

Legimet
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I don't think she accused anyone.

tonlee
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Her saying somebody harassed her, is not an accusation?

Ignacio.Agullo
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I did read that accusation... coming from Rowe, not Maginnis, and it was taken back and apologized for.

tonlee
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>accusation... coming from Rowe, not Maginnis

From https://www.youcaring.com/lisamariemaginnis-779455
>harassment report with management.

Clearly accusations from maginnis towards fsf and fsf personnel.

I acknowledge that the initial post was about getting maginnis funds. I asked my questions in order to get an update on what happened? Apparently you are not supposed to get informed about this case?

To me it is important to know, if she maintains her harassment claims against fsf personnel.
If she does, the case is a matter of producing evidence, not maginnis redrawing her claims.

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Can we focus on helping Lisa? Only one week left until her surgery and about $100 USD have been raised in the past week. $7700 USD to go!

https://www.youcaring.com/lisamariemaginnis-779455

After she's recovered, maybe she can offer a clarification on the events that have lead to her being fired. Helping her doesn't endorse one side of the story or the other.

tonlee
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Further pieces of information?

Jodiendo
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Why should help a transsexual woman?

I am a 29 years old trans woman dedicated to human rights activism, FOSS hacking/programming. Recently my work has been dedicated to Hypatia Software Organization, serving as the volunteer President, helping impoverished and homeless members .....

Well I don't sympathized with transvestism SIN, transsexual behavior or called them the old fashion homosexuals. Is against my values, my personal code of ethics and religious believes. I wonder what kind of surgery she needs or want to have....

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If I remember correctly there is no such religion that advices against helping others, especially not by the way they look.

And if your religion teaches you to not help others, if you don't agree with them or you don't like the way they look, then maybe you should reconsider it.

I will suggest atheism as a moral way of life...

But if you insisit in religion, there are many good options that teach you to ALWAYS help others, try to be a better person and NEVER judge others no matter what, as this is (in most religions) their deity's works.

A few good options are: Christianity, Buddhism, Islamism, Judaism, Pastafarianism, IPU, among others.

Just be careful, there is always people that try to teach religion to support they political agenda, forgetting their own believes. Try to learn the morality of the religion you choose and not the contaminated stuff. (Except for IPU and Pastafarianism this are outstanding examples of what religion should be).

Anyway I hope someday you can learn why you should help others even if you don't agree with them. A society can't run with justice if we only treat right those who we agree with.

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I cannot believe in God when there is no scientific evidence for the existence of a supreme being and creator.

There is no God!

Jodiendo
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You know there something obviously, there is many colors and shapes in this world, you choose, what you think is right and what you think is wrong, but to contribute is matter of likes and not to contribute at all, is my choice and my personal choice in this matter.
either you like it or not...

albertoefg
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Of course.

However... You asked explicitly why should you help her, when you believe she lives in sin, I gave you an answer.

SuperTramp83

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>And if your religion teaches you to not help others, if you don't agree with them or you don't like the way they look, then maybe you should reconsider it.

I wonder why people still keep mistaking 'religion' with education and common decency..

>I will suggest atheism as a moral way of life...

Indeed, I consider myself an atheist. I find older religions, the so called 'ancient' ones, to be of a much greater interest, probably because they were much clearer about it being a system of ethical values and practical rules of everyday life, which is the very same definition of 're-ligio'.. Also, they were much more geocentric rather than homocentric, which I find delicious. Astronomy was religion and religion was astronomy, in some part; this when not mediated by corrupt greased clergy or whatever the particular name given in the particular era and region was for the most despicable type of men, those who claim authority based on the otherwordly, the abstract, the mere idea, the little men that keep fearing the here and now.

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Why should help a transsexual woman?

I can't believe it.

In first place, if you don't sympathize with “transvestism SIN”, why are you replying to this post?

If you read this post and found it “sinful” or something, you should just leave. You don't have to show your rejection of transvestism in a rude way.

“Nobody can tell what is right and what is wrong, what is righteous and what is evil. Even if there is a god, and I had His teachings before me, I would think it through, and decide if that was right or wrong myself.”
— Tsugumi Ohba (Death Note, chapter 105)

CalmStorm

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Sorry but I have to call you out on this, if you quote death note or the author of death note, you are basically quoting an evil person or idea.

for the record, I do not support discrimination. My reason for posting is more, about your death note quote.

That man who made that toxic show should be in jail. This is the venom that makes people think certain things are acceptable, such as judging...

example #1 if you watch the whole series, light is only evil when he is under the influence of the death note. At one point he is trying to catch himself

Example 2: Near and L and the other police officers instead of trying to get him help, instead try to crucify him... figuratively of course.

Example 3: Ryuk gets away with poisoning an innocent person with power and is effectively not punished even though he poisoned light yagami with the death note for ENTERTAINMENT! I put emphasis on entertainment because that is literatly the worst reason to give someone that kind of power... and the evilest reason too...

so yeah... never quote death note. NEVER! Again, emphasis for why death note should be like saying the word voldemort...

its not right and it makes you look like a sociopath to the heavens, and anyone who is actually rational.

Again, I do not support what Jodiendo said, but I refuse to let people say stuff about death note as if it is a fact or in a positive way. Death note was created by a man who clearly serves the devil with most of his soul.

This my belief and if you don't agree with it, well, its not my problem.

Sorry, I really hate that show.

CalmStorm

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I reply to my own comment for a few reasons, it appears I have corrections to make,

The creator of death note though bad in actions, can repent, and he isn't bad because of who he is, but because of his actions.

No one is beyond redemption which may be a shock to many people. Yes indeed atheists I am very much telling you this because this is something you don't get.

If you ever played the game Pokemon black and white completely like I did, before I became interested in free software,

in the place called N's castle one of the six sages says this:

"Superior men do what is right, inferior men know what will sell."

This applies to why death note is a disaster, it is just an easy way to make money. It appeals to the lowest common denominator. It is like a train wreck, people for some reason, like to see what happened,
but quite honestly, we are made in the image of Almighty God, so we really have no right to feed this venom.

An eye for an eye is basically what death note's final ending amounts to.

If the author had simply had Let (Made) Light repent at the end even if he still died, that would have been preferable especially considering he was under the curse of Ryuk's death notebook.

(but also had Ryuk die a terrible death for doing Light in)

But anyways, I know you will challenge me on this, but understand, This is my feeling. Other than these changes, the rest holds true. Also, I didn't edit the exact first post I made, because that would be dishonest to you.

Words in parentheses are corrections.

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He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And if you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss also gazes into you.

Wer mit Ungeheuern kämpft, mag zusehn, dass er nicht dabei zum Ungeheuer wird. Und wenn du lange in einen Abgrund blickst, blickt der Abgrund auch in dich hinein.

Beyond Good and Evil, Aphorism 146

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If I told you that I know a computer programmer and then I told you that he has never has touched a computer, nor ever will do, would you believe that he is really a programmer?. Of course not. That is utterly absurd. Such is the absurdity of saying that Ada Byron was the first programmer.

Recall that at the time of Ada Byron, no computers existed. The first computers (I do not mean simple single-purpose calculators like Pascal's mechanical calculator, but machines capable of universal computation) were built in the 1940s. At the time of Ada Byron, in the 19th century, the concept of computing had not even been defined, let alone implemented.

Why is this absurdity perpetuated, that Ada Byron was "the first programmer"? Because that is the multiculturalism herd want you to believe to advance their anti-men agenda.

They want you to believe that we are all equal, at least in capabilities, while in fact we are not. Any reasonable person who takes just glance at the names of the most important mathematicians, physicists, the top Go or Chess players will realize that virtually all of them are men.

The male sex has demonstrated through history that it is more capable both intellectualy and physically than the female sex. And no, it is not a matter of being in power (even if there was, it is a demonstration of capability to be in that place): why are there are women-only Chess and Go tournaments but no important tournaments allows only men to enter? Because when there are no sex restrictions, men dominate. Women simply can not match the male intellectual capability. Аs for the physical aspect, take a look at the top ranks in sports, for example, Olympic records. Not even with anabolic drugs can women match the prowess of their male counterparts (although they compete separate, the times/distances/etc. can be compared).

This undermines the multiculturalist agenda, for they want no group (especially men or white people) to be more successful than the mediocre average, and for this, they spread the lie that no group is more capable than average.

And therefore the multiculturalists and the so called "feminists" (a nearly meaningless word, since nearly everybody interprets it in a different way) invented the Ada hoax so that when faced with the reality that the female sex is an intellectual failure, they can say "but see, one of us was the first programmer!". They find such a relief in this lie, this false "victory" is so good for them, that it does not matter for them that it is not true.

"Lisa" is yet another serial liar (in quotes because being such a liar I can not even assume he's telling the truth about his real name). He lied in his work: He raised 2 false accusations, first from harassment, and then from unjustified hiring; he lies about his sex. Lisa is a professional lier who takes advantage of his "marginalized minority" status to play the victim role for personal profit. His newest trick is to beg for money supposedly to pay a quack to mutilate his genitals into a deep injury that struggles to close itself. Probably he pretends to call this injury a "vagina" and prevent it from closing by introducing foreign objects on it. Probably he just says he is trans for the attention and victim status, although only he knows for sure. You can see from the photos he does not even make a serious attempt to look as a woman.

I helped a friend when he needed it who has a feminine appearance despite being male. She/he is not a liar. She is sincere that has this appearance because he likes the look of women as a straight male and has decided to embody his standard of beauty himself. He does not pretend to be "a woman born as a man", nor does he mutilate his genitals or any other such nosense that Lisa does. Fortunately the situation resolved favorably in my friend's case. I remind SuperTramp83 that he owes a public apology to my friend for spreading harmful speculation about him. On the other hand, I would not help Lisa, and not for his looks, but because he has made lying and victimhood his modus vivendi.

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The comments on this thread have turned into homophobic and sexist discussion that have no place in our community, so
I'm locking the comments and moving the thread to the troll hole. Opening new threads to continue to engage in this behaviour will get the participants permanently banned.