Trisquel for 32 bit system

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glass
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Since cant find any announcement about Trisquel plans for 32 bit systems, I ask here.
command do-release-upgrade shows message "There will not be any further Trisquel releases for this system's 'i386' architecture. Update for Trisquel 9.0 LTS will continue until April 2023.
Please say it's just a bad dream... ThinkPad X60s is on Trisquel train since version 8 and feels like in 5 star hotel. Does really next stop will be a jungle (am just enthusiast)?

glass
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" We can't fail to mention that Trisquel 10.0 is the first release to not have support for 32-bit hardware on x86"

"Among other noteworthy changes, Trisquel GNU/Linux 10.0 drops support for 32-bit (x86) hardware .."

Approved. :( A heartbreaking love. All the best...

Piriponzolo
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I will migrate to Parabola GNU-Linux with OpenRC and LXDE for my old 32bit HP510 notebook.

vita_cell
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One of your options for staying libre, is to use Freenix(Slackware without blobs). But you must to know which Slackbuilds are propietary for not to install this software.

jxself
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iShareFreedom
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why dont continue the support to trisquel 9 (only for security issues) for have support for 32bits?

jxself
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Trisquel 9 is still supported until 2023-04-26.

autumnlover
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Perhaps the 32bit issue could be another reason to extended support of Trisquel 9 past 2023-04 using ESM security patches from i386 Ubuntu 18.04? Isn't that the easiest way to support old but functioning 32-bit hardware? Assuming of course the Canonical will not exclude i386 from 18.04 ESM

jxself
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Assuming that Canonical does do that, then maybe. But I'd need to defer to quidam or Ark74. Although ESM costs money. Perhaps if someone donated enough to cover the cost of a subscription?

SkedarKing
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This explains how Trisquel 10 came out so soon...

Although, this isn't Trisquel's fault, except for basing it on ubuntu...

In this case the blame is solely on ubuntu devs and ultimately Mark Shuttleworth.

Actually though, Hyperbola, Freenix, Parabola, are probably decent distributions to use instead if Trisquel can't do 32 bit support.

Although, Parabola is a pain if you run into problems and are a newbie and you are not patient enough,

So yeah, its a tricky issue, unless Trisquel goes back to being Debian based directly. But who knows, somewhere down the road, even that could be problematic, not because debian isn't more secure than Ubuntu, but because 32 bit is being dropped little by little.

The moment puppylinux drops it, its dead in the gnu/linux system, then your stuck with OpenBSD, NetBSD or FreeBSD or some other BSD based system.

Spoiler don't use FreeBSD ever... they have a lot of freedom issues as well as insecurity crap. I guess you could say they are the Ubuntu of BSD.

;)

NetBSD's origin is the same as FreeBSD, so don't trust them either. (USA)

Trisquel does however do some useful things to ubuntu, so it might be better than FreeBSD at least, given all the crap both Ubuntu and FreeBSD have...

Also, Trisquel thankfully is not made in a really awful five eyes country or something as bad.

Long story short though, I hope people here don't have to someday be so consumed with fear that 32 bit is dropped or w/e

x86 still seems like a virus to me, unless it has no intel me enabled and/or other proprietary threats enabled that are of significant known risk.

Hope all works out for you guys though.

But I also hope Risc-V or something more freedom friendly arrives in the future. I really would love it, if microwatt could actually become something very good.

Like Risc-V, but without irritating ISA access restrictions.

Damn typos... oh well... heh two edits, but its fixed now.

lanun
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> Trisquel thankfully is not made in a really awful five eyes country or something as bad.

True. Trisquel is made by the ewoks, deep in the forests of Endor.

Magic Banana

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This explains how Trisquel 10 came out so soon...

In "compensation", Trisquel 10 newly supports armhf.

But who knows, somewhere down the road, even that could be problematic, not because debian isn't more secure than Ubuntu, but because 32 bit is being dropped little by little.

Given the obscure architectures Debian supports (armel, mispsel, etc.), I guess it would be among the last GNU/Linux distributions to drop the support for i386. But, sure, NetBSD will certainly supports i386 for even longer.

SkedarKing
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That is odd, I would've thought something that is deliberately meant for old computers, like puppylinux would be the last one to ditch 32 bit.

And yeah, NetBSD probably will support it for a long time, although, I still would say, OpenBSD should be the bsd they try first and only if that isn't an option at some point should NetBSD be used.

OpenBSD has this secure by default mentality and from there, you enable stuff that you think you need.

This being said, it is definitely good for you all that armhf is supported by Trisquel.

So maybe this is still a surprise that it was released so soon. I heard from a former Parabola developer that armhf was an irritating architecture to support.

This same developer of course, has with the help of others, made Hyperbola.

But yeah, when puppylinux drops 32 bit, I have no doubt in my mind, that if the linux kernel didn't drop support before,

it is utterly dead at that point.

jxself
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It's not dead until there's no one left using it. Just like the PDP-10 mainframe running the Incompatible Timesharing System (check your GNU history for RMS in the years before GNU) which is now 50+ years old is also not dead. :)

SkedarKing
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Hmm, so you are saying linux-libre would still be updated even after the original kernel ditched 32 bit support?

Or are you saying that it wouldn't matter in general.

Can you clarify?

jxself
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"Can you clarify?"

I'm saying it's not dead until there's no one left using it. As long as someone's using it (any number of people, anywhere on earth), then (in my book) it's not dead. Heck even the PDP-10 mainframe computer, which has by now been out of production for longer than it was in production, and which the company that made it (DEC) doesn't even exist anymore, is still very much alive. Because it has an active user community. It's still in use and kept up by the user community and so by definition it's not dead. Just like 32-bit x86 is not dead. Even if Linus Torvalds were to write an email that the kernel named Linux was dropping the support for it today - it would *still* not be dead. Not yet, and not for as long as there are still people using it. :)

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Speaking of 32-bit kernels, I just added the Linux-libre 4.19 kernel to my latest antix-21 respin. antiX has a great little tool called the "Live USB Kernel Updater", where you can switch to a different kernel on the fly on a live usb flash drive. Try doing that neat trick on an Ubuntu-based distro!

lanun
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I definitely need to steal your libre antiX respin magic.

Free from heavy dependence on Canonical, free from the Gnome dictatorship and free from the Mozilla-Google back room (most probably through some light-weight, CLI browser to be determined) the phrase "software freedom" will certainly ring much sounder.

andyprough
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>"most probably through some light-weight, CLI browser to be determined"

links2 in graphical mode: https://trisquel.info/en/forum/graphical-web-browser-uses-5mb-memory
Three months later and I'm still in love with it. Want to watch videos? Just paste their links into an mpv command. mpv even handles twitter/nitter videos! It directly handles most invidious videos, odysee videos, etc.

lanun
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Ah yes, that one exactly, thanks for the link. I will remember searching the forum for "Lieutenant George".

I have also been liking mpv very much, since converting from totemism under the wise guidance of chaosmonk.

You are definitely going to get my vote for Minister for Minimalist Software, in rotation with chaosmonk if we ever manage to find him.

andyprough
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I emailed him recently but he has not responded. But the email did not bounce back, so he's out there somewhere. Maybe once he finishes his PhD he'll come back and terrorize us again with his lengthy and thoroughly referenced rebuttals to our moronic posts.

SkedarKing
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Alright, fair point, I didn't think that it still had an active community base given how its that old...

Does it connect to the internet at all/or not have any significant issues? Like *x86/x86_64*

If not, then it makes even more sense that it could be supported indefinitely

Alrighty though, you are probably right then, 32 bit isn't dead for a very long time in that case.