Trisquel 5 and home entertainment
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Hi
I recently tested Trisquel 5 with and HD TV, using HDMI to drive sound &
video to it (sound needed having the proper HDMI hardware selected in
sound properties). This is my main home system.
I also booted a live USB to test an external Samsung S24A450UW 24 inch
LED LCD monitor (1920x1200), worked out of the box. The same setup
needed a bit of fiddling in Ubuntu 11.10.
Just wanted to report this works very nicely, out of the box with
Trisquel 5.
Cheers,
Fabian
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Fabián Rodríguez
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Just some questions for interest:
What hardware did you use for testing ?
Did you play back 1080p material ? If yes with which graphic adapter and which player ?
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On 12-01-05 04:40 PM, name at domain wrote:
> Just some questions for interest:
> What hardware did you use for testing ?
The workstation (for HDMI tests) is an Intel Core i5 680 workstation
with integrated GPU (HD55) on an Asus P7H55-M PRO motherboard (home
system, runs Trisquel 5.0)
The laptop is an Intel Core i5-2410M Asus A53E widescreen laptop (work
system), with Ubuntu 11.10 (fallback Gnome session).
More details and links about the above hardware are available here:
http://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:MagicFab#Hardware
> Did you play back 1080p material ? If yes with which graphic adapter
and which player ?
Very much so, mostly using Totem, but also mplayer and VLC. Graphic
adapters are those integrated with the respective Intel CPUs mentioned
above (no nVidia, no ATI). I generally encode/RIP to Ogg Theora/MKV or
download in H264.
A great tool to quickly download tons of legal HD media is Miro.
Cheers,
Fabian
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Fabián Rodríguez
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I guess the 4500MHD Intel integrated graphics card is the only card to playback HD material on Trisquel well. Either that, or you use a very fast CPU.
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On 12-01-05 04:55 PM, name at domain wrote:
> I guess the 4500MHD Intel integrated graphics card is the only card to
playback HD material on Trisquel well. Either that, or you use a very
fast CPU.
No idea, I haven't investigated much the chipsets (other than knowing
they can implement DRM). I suppose it's because the CPU is very fast,
either way I don't do other stuff when watching video so in my case it's
not critical. I experiment a bit with these two systems but lack time to
investigate much. I prefer to document+share my few findings :)
I followed recent discussion here about Intel accelerated media
playback, found out about libva. I posted here how to enable it in
Ubuntu, haven't tried Trisquel:
http://askubuntu.com/a/91130/4601
It's supposed to be fully supported/integrated in the upcoming Ubuntu
12.04 judging by the upstream package versions required - according to
Canonical support. I am waiting for more details about this. The above
link indicates how to enable the drivers, but you'll also need
libva-enabled mplayer/vlc/gstreamer.
Cheers,
Fabian
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Fabián Rodríguez
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@MagicFab/Fabian: Thanks for taking the time to reply. So when you mentioned HD TV you are mainly talking about playing back HD content from www, right ? :)
Thanks for the hint with Miro...I just installed on my Xubuntu box. It looks very promising.
@Cyberhawk: From my experiences with HD material and various CPU / GPU / driver combinations I would say that you are fine with 720p h264 material without any special hardware acceleration if you have a decent dual core CPU (e.g. 2x2GHz).
For 1080p I really doubt that even a quad or hexa-core with 3GHz can cope with it in any situation :-(
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I played back 1080p youtube videos with my 2x2.53Ghz machine. It has the X4500 graphics card, not the 4500MHD, but still. The only problem I encountered was the caching of the video, since I only have a bandwidth of 6 Mbit/s.
Ok, but here then at least some video acceleration kicks in. My AMD 2x2.7 GHz with standard radeon drivers maxes out both cores when playing back 1080p material as soon as some action starts (=making it harder to decode video).
My Opteron 170 (2x2GHz) doesn't even have the slightest chance for 1080p playback without GPU acceleration (VDPAU here to be more specific).
YMMY :)
Edit: As I expected...even older Intel GPUs provide h264 support:
http://intellinuxgraphics.org/h264.html
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On 12-01-05 05:38 PM, name at domain wrote:
> @MagicFab/Fabian: Thanks for taking the time to reply. So when you
mentioned HD TV you are mainly talking about playing back HD content
from www, right ? :)
Mostly, yes. I have some BlueRay disks I will try to RIP sometime when I
get access to a drive although when I tried ~1 yr. ago it wasn't
straight forward to make a backup. Those were disks I had for $1 at a
yard sale and wanted to try and see if someone with a collection could
then RIP them to free formats in order to avoid the imposed content
(such as previews and other crap) - like on DVDs.
Another great movie for kids is Big Buck bunny.
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> Thanks for the hint with Miro...I just installed on my Xubuntu box. It
looks very promising.
>
> @Cyberhawk: From my experiences with HD material and various CPU / GPU
/ driver combinations I would say that you are fine with 720p h264
material without any special hardware acceleration if you have a decent
dual core CPU (e.g. 2x2GHz).
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> For 1080p I really doubt that even a quad or hexa-core with 3GHz can
cope with it in any situation :-(
I doubt I am using any hardware acceleration for video at home on the
Trisquel (core i5) box, as I said all videos (1080p) I threw at it
showed up just fine.
Cheers,
F.
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Fabián,
I think we are both right :)
I spent some time today for investigating the minimum specs for 1080p playback without GPU decoding and I mostly found a 2-2.4 GHz dual core as min spec.
AMD is well known for being "a little less performant than Intel". So shows my AMD X2 with 2x2.7 GHz which mostly plays back 1080p fluently but shows hickups in high bitrate / high complexity scenes. An Intel CPU on the other hand with > 2x2.4 GHz seems to decode 1080p nicely. Similar to what Cyberhawk said.
For all my AMD boxes (2x1.6GHz, 2x2GHz, 2x2.7GHz) things are looking less good for 1080p playback under Linux without NVidia blob. I never got my AMD HD4670 to work with this VAAPI stuff. Neither with fglrx, nor with radeon.
Have a nice weekend,
D$
Fabián,
How does MATE running on test builds of Trisquel 5.5 look on your computer and that display?
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On 12-01-06 06:03 PM, name at domain wrote:
> Fabián,
>
> How does MATE running on test builds of Trisquel 5.5 look on your
computer and that display?
Heh, no idea :) If you can point me to an ISO that I can test easily I
can give it a try.
Cheers,
F.
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You are giving us the option to use MATE in the next release right? :-)
There is the main Github at https://github.com/mate-desktop and Linux Mint's implementation through their repositories:
1. Add to sources.list:
deb http://packages.linuxmint.com/ lisa main upstream import
2. In terminal:
sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install linuxmint-keyring
3. Finally:
sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install mint-meta-mate
Of course by default it uses Mint's default theme, but it can be changed with Trisquel's Gnome 2 compatible theme to look just like regular Trisquel.
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We are looking for a way to get HD with GMA3150 if at all possible.
We were looking at the crystal decoder cards and discovered they are dependent on binary blobs.
Then came across some info that Joli OS works with GMA3150 and 720p and 1080p HD content.
Going to test it. I would like to know how they do this (if true) and if it can be done on Trisquel and other free operating systems.