Ubuntu "Spyware" Will Be Disabled In Ubuntu 16.04

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How's that supposed to be any kind of non-nonsensical response to onpon4?

It's not going to be such a thing unless there's uneaten kerstkrans in a
cat's anus.

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"systemd" will separate the Linux community into two (or more) camps...

How do you explain that Devuan is such a failure then? And where are the
forks of Fedora/Mageia/openSUSE/Arch/etc. that adopted systemd by default
more than three years ago?

And you actually meant GNU/Linux I believe:
http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html

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We being spyed by "club bilderberg"?

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Since we first proposed systemd for inclusion in the distributions it has been frequently discussed in many forums, mailing lists and conferences. In these discussions one can often hear certain myths about systemd, that are repeated over and over again, but certainly don't gain any truth by constant repetition. Let's take the time to debunk a few of them:

http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html

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I find it curious a piece of software has a section related to dispelling "the biggest myths". I guess they've at least failed at explaining what their stuff does.

Besides that it reminds of the classic Micro$oft "Get the Facts" campaign which among its other merits claimed that

* Windows has lower total cost of ownership (TCO) than [GNU/]Linux. It turned out that they were comparing [GNU/]Linux on a very expensive IBM Mainframe to Windows on a PC!

* the .NET trading platform that it had developed in partnership with Accenture for the London Stock Exchange, claiming that it provided "five nines" reliability. After suffering extended downtime and unreliability the LSE announced in 2009 that it was planning to drop its Microsoft solution and switch to a [GNU/]Linux-based one in 2010.

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FAQs are common, dispelling myths not so much.

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FAQs are common, dispelling myths not so much.

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Or maybe there's actually myths that need to be debunked... :)

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Or maybe there's actually myths that need to be debunked... :)

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I find it curious a piece of software has a section related to dispelling
"the biggest myths". I guess they've at least failed at explaining what their
stuff does.

Besides that it reminds of the classic Micro$oft "Get the Facts" campaign
which among its other merits claimed that

* Windows has lower total cost of ownership (TCO) than [GNU/]Linux. It turned
out that they were comparing [GNU/]Linux on a very expensive IBM Mainframe to
Windows on a PC!

* the .NET trading platform that it had developed in partnership with
Accenture for the London Stock Exchange, claiming that it provided "five
nines" reliability. After suffering extended downtime and unreliability the
LSE announced in 2009 that it was planning to drop its Microsoft solution and
switch to a [GNU/]Linux-based one in 2010.

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True that article doesn't do much to dissipate ...the myth?!

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also surround sound doesn't work right for me on debian, and not as many packages optimized for it, or easy to install 3rd party software repos like with ppa's. Lets face it, ubuntu is just way more newbie friendly.

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Honestly, having switched to Debian recently, the only problem I've had is not being able to get SimpleScreenRecorderor OBS to work (their compile instructions didn't work for me).

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well thats one example. I think for newbies compiling software to install is complicated, or even to edit sources file. I used ppa for peerguardian as example, but I think they do have a repo for debian as well not sure if its as updated or maintained though.

but for me my surround sound volume control only works properly only on ubuntu based distros. can't get it working on fedora or debian, bothered me for years and I have complained alot about it.

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On Xfce and Debian the only issue I experienced is pulse related and it is due to a dependency which version in Debian has a bug so that it mutes the speakers when you plug in the headphone or (on another lappy of a friend of mine) when you mute the speakers to 0 it also mutes totally the speakers so you need to re-enable it in pavucontrol..
On both computers the issue was easily solved with **sudo apt purge pulseaudio**

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not really a good option for me cause i like to use the puluseaudio equalizer and be able to set diff volume levels for diff apps.

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not really a good option for me cause i like to use the puluseaudio equalizer
and be able to set diff volume levels for diff apps.

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well thats one example. I think for newbies compiling software to install is
complicated, or even to edit sources file. I used ppa for peerguardian as
example, but I think they do have a repo for debian as well not sure if its
as updated or maintained though.

but for me my surround sound volume control only works properly only on
ubuntu based distros. can't get it working on fedora or debian, bothered me
for years and I have complained alot about it.

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On Xfce and Debian the only issue I experienced is pulse related and it is
due a dependency which version in Debian has a bug so that it mutes the
speakers when you plugin in the headphone or (on another lappy of a friend of
mine) when you mute the speakers to 0 it also mutes totally the speakers so
you need to re-enable it in pavucontrol..
On both computers the issue was easily solved with **sudo apt purge
pulseaudio**

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Honestly, having switched to Debian recently, the only problem I've had is
not being able to get SimpleScreenRecorderor OBS to work (their compile
instructions didn't work for me).

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"Ubuntu Gets Serious About Data Privacy" and blah blah blah. Perhaps this was
their plan all along: You get really bad so that when you remove the
horribleness people celebrate it and how great you are. Compare, for example
conspiracy theories about New Coke.

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The fact is they have been doing it for years and I agree with the radical
stance of the excellent Stallman when he defines Buguntu as spyware. That OS
**is** a spyware, the thing is turned on by default. Canonical is a
corporation that cares only about money and it is not very different from
Micro$oft or Crapple. They don't deserve your trust and people should not
trust them. I will never trust them nor will I ever use any of the *untu
variants or derivatives.
There are better options out there, much better, if security, privacy and
ethics are concepts you value enough.

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Testing, testing

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Ubuntu 16.04 LTS will be very bad version for people who want security and
privacy
because 16.04 LTS will use "systemd" as default.
This "systemd" software suite controls very important processes, and a lot
of profesionals ans Linux users are very
against this decision because "systemd" is not stable and is not good
designed (from a security, privacy point a view)
So I think 14.04 is still a safer choice (for a base of Trisquel) then 16.04
because 14.04 doesn't use "systemd"
I hope Trisquel will think very carefully about this, because "systemd" is a
NO GO for many GNU/Linux users

p.s: this "news" that "spaveware" will be dissable is just a way from Ubuntu
to turn the negative attention of the systemd spyware as default, to
something for positive....

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The similarity between Windows 10 being gratis (which is not)
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2957365/windows/why-windows-10-isnt-really-free-the-subtle-new-world-of-built-in-costs.html
& deactivating built in Spyware

makes me wonder
"Where's the backdoor?"

Another surprise is Cannonical has registered in
The Isle of Man Companies Registry, Annual Return 2005 for Company no.
110334C (non-distributable, available for a fee of £1.00)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canonical_%28company%29

The Isle of Man is nothing but Tax Evasion heaven(haven)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_haven

https://services.gov.im/ded/services/companiesregistry/companysearch.iom?searchby=0&searchtext=canonical&search=Search

Name Number Inc/Reg Date Status Type Name Status
CANONICAL SERVICES LIMITED 003719V 25 Mar 2009 Live Limited by shares Current
CANONICAL LIMITED 110334C 5 Mar 2004 Live Private Ltd by Shares Current
CANONICAL SOFTWARE 018538B 21 Jul 2004 Live Current

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"systemd is free software: anyone claiming there is a spyware in it should
point out where. Nobody did."

That's the problem "systemd" is such a overkill and complex monster of a
program, that nobody can actually control or check it what is going on...
So "spyware" can be injected very easy, and nobody will ever find it...

Why defend such a kind of a program, with these risks when freedom, privacy
and security are two big reasons why people choose for GNU/Linux?

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So, clearly, you need to stop using Linux...

Luckily GNU/Linux gives me the freedom to decide this for myself ;-)
So when systemd will be rolled out I have the free choice to block it:

Just add in your /etc/apt/preferences,
Code:

Package: systemd
Pin: origin ""
Pin-Priority: -1

and I'm afraid I will be not the only one that will do this, "systemd" will
separate the Linux community
into two (or more) camps...
That the freedom we have, and that's the freedom were "GNU/Linux" stands for

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We being spyed by "club bilderberg"?

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Since we first proposed systemd for inclusion in the distributions it has
been frequently discussed in many forums, mailing lists and conferences. In
these discussions one can often hear certain myths about systemd, that are
repeated over and over again, but certainly don't gain any truth by constant
repetition. Let's take the time to debunk a few of them:
http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html

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True that article doesn't do much to dissipate ...the myth?!

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also surround sound doesn't work right for me on debian, and not as many
packages optimized for it, or easy to install 3rd party software repos like
with ppa's. Lets face it, ubuntu is just way more newbie friendly.