Ubuntu's new installer

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nadebula.1984
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Some users have complained about the UEFI support of Ubuntu's ubiquity installer (as I've been doing for many years), so I agreed to take a look at Ubuntu 21.10's daily build.

Until end May (one month after 21.04 release), the daily build still uses age-old ubiquity as its installer, albeit it has newly designed icon. Nor do I find "subiquity" in Ubuntu's repositories except 18.04 (on which Trisquel 9 is based). It seemed that Canonical briefly tested subiquity by then but dropped it subsequently.

And it is possible that the new installer wouldn't be available until next LTS cycle.

lanun
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Someone mentioned "Google's Flutter language" and that "as per the [Ubuntu] team, the old Ubiquity is difficult to maintain with its legacy Python codebase and it is wiser to adopt a more advanced programming language today" in this article:

https://www.debugpoint.com/2021/02/new-ubuntu-desktop-installer

nadebula.1984
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I've checked the dependencies. Both ubiquity and subiquity are based on Python, but they are very different. I believe that subiquity isn't good enough, either. Canonical should have done something much earlier regarding to the installer, but their main interests were of course in making money, until the broken-beyond-repair installer prevents them from making more money.

As for Trisquel, it could try an alternative free/libre installer with better UEFI support.

lanun
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The article mentions Calamares as a good candidate to replace Ubiquity.

nadebula.1984
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Update: Until recently, the Ubuntu 21.10 daily build (July 22nd) is still based on ubiquity. I doubt they could ship its new installer (with subiquity as the back end and a front end written in Flutter) in 21.10. If they couldn't, they'd lose even more users.

Haven't you seen that many new computers preload Fedora instead of Ubuntu?

andyprough
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> "Haven't you seen that many new computers preload Fedora instead of Ubuntu?"

Mostly Lenovo, which is still heavily controlled by Fedora's owner, IBM. I disregard those products, and I also assume that they are only available symbolically, and that almost no one actually buys them. They are priced in a way that it makes no sense to buy them - buy a Winblows laptop for much cheaper and reformat the hard drive.

So - is there a market for new desktops and laptops that are pre-loaded with Fedora? I highly doubt it.