What CPU to buy

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vita_cell
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Hi, I damaged my i5-3570k.

I like i5+hd4000, but, this is a backdoored CPU.
Should I buy some equivalent AMD CPU + motherboard? has AMD CPU some backd00rs? firmwares? unfriendly with free software?

Xlash
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IntelCore i5-4460 is a good choice señor Vita :)

AMD has not 3D acceleration and yes, some AMD CPUs has backdoors.

Regards.

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4th Generation Intel® Core™ i5 Processors, compatible with i5-3570k's socket??

So, can I put i5-4670k in my board?

Can you recommend me some i5 like i5-5675C (yes, I know, must to buy new motherboard probably)??

i5-5675C comes with Iris Pro 6200 GPU, has it free software drivers?

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Visit http://ark.intel.com for the (partial) specification of a given processor. Intel® Core™ i5-5675C Processors have no "vPro" and no "Trusted Execution Technology": http://ark.intel.com/products/88095/Intel-Core-i5-5675C-Processor-4M-Cache-up-to-3_60-GHz

That is good. But there certainly are other "treacherous computing" technologies I am not aware of.

As far as I understood, Linux-libre perfectly supports Iris graphics.

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Modern Intel CPUs all have backdoors too.

The big problem with AMD CPUs is their inefficiency – they waste much more power than Intel ones do. They are also slow for single-threaded computations.

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You right, I have some computers with AMD(fresh layer of termal for IHS) and still hot & loud. AMD are furnaces.

The worst things are GPUs from AMD.

And I don't know what to do, I want Intel processor, with HD or Iris GPU, but backd00red.

Xlash
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You can adquiere i5-5675C, is the less bad choice.

Xlash
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Not all, just high end ones.

Xlash
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I dont know if its compatible o not.. you must find your motherboard specifications and look which CPU is compatible. Probably you will need buy new motherboard, an Asrock h97 for example.

If your machine is a desktop pc, i5-5675C is good, without vpro and trusted computing neither. I think only skylake has non-free blobs.

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Thinking more about it.

Yes I want i5-5675C, but, it capped at 60hz. I must to think more about it, buy cheap CPU+some more compatible GPU that gt520.

Anybody know what Nvidia GPU has best support? gt6xx? gtx6xx? gtx7xx?

Calinou
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You don't need more than 60 FPS, unless you want very low input latency (at the cost of wasting power). Also, vblank_mode=0 /path/to/game/binary should disable V-Sync.

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Yes, I need, I use only high Hertz monitors, 60hz cap (desktop or gaming) on 144-200Hz will be fully crap. 60hz for laptop screen is enough. Yes, I disable always Vsync, thank!

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Very few games will actually run at more than 60 FPS.

vita_cell
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Games I playing run more that 60fps. And I uncap some games, it is easy.

The only problem is GPU, I need something more compatible that my gt520.

Example.
Now I playing Open Arena at 144fps, Stunt Rally 2.5 70-90fps.

davidnotcoulthard (not verified)
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So.....you're telling me you've got a monitor with a refresh rate of >60/s?

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The Ivy Bridge CPU's are good. Skylake is a bad idea definitely.You could get an Ivy Bridge without vPro and the other shady Intel stuffs.Perhave an upgrade to 3770K processor. It would still be HD4000 though.
For libre a PCI-E GPU is a bad idea,they just don't run on free distributions (because of the libre kernel) but if they did you'd rather have an AMD GPU,because radeonSI is better than Nouveau gamingwise.

vita_cell
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But AMD GPUs need blobs?

davidnotcoulthard (not verified)
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Yes, and they have since God knows when.

Henpei
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Rage128 was the last card with the blobs on the card itself. :P

Henpei
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Rage128 was the last card with the blobs on the card itself. :P

Allanitomwesh
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All PCI-E GPUs need blobs

Calinou
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Nouveau doesn't. At least Kepler and older generations.

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Pretty sure linux-libre kernel doesn't have any GPUs. Besides,the FPS out of nouveau would be terrible, about as good as his HD4000 anyway.

davidnotcoulthard (not verified)
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Source regarding the Broadwell 60fps cap? (trying to find it, haven't thus far managed to)

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Intel GPUs capped at 60hz output. Not 60fps. LoL.
Only software(games) caps fps, I think.

It is the only why I not buying some CPU with Intel Iris Pro.

davidnotcoulthard (not verified)
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Point me to a source though (tried to find one.......if to be honest maybe not hard enough) :)

Henpei
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The computer outputs frames. the monitor is what is running in hertz. If you only have a 60hz monitor you would probably be locked to 60fps.

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Not true, you can run games with unlimited FPS, but more that 60fps with 60hz monitor, are useless. It depends of game, if this capped or not. Activating VSync, you will cap fps at the same number that Hz of your monitor.

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Sorry you probably missunderstood my badly written sentence.
I meant exactly what you are saying. I just wanted to say that the monitor is measured in hz while the computer outputs frames (fps).
As you say, if your monitor is 60hz you wont benefit from higher than 60 fps because the monitor cant draw more than 60 frames per second. XD

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but..it can..if vsync is off.. X_x

Henpei
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No a 60hz monitor can only update 60 times a second so you can only see up to 60 fps. The remaining frames cannot be drawn on the screen. The computer on the other hand can if vsync is off. :P

vita_cell
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Yes. You can draw more fps, but you can not see them.

vita_cell
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Yes. You can draw more fps, but you can not see them.

Henpei
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No a 60hz monitor can only update 60 times a second so you can only see up to
60 fps. The remaining frames cannot be drawn on the screen. The computer on
the other hand can if vsync is off. :P

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That is!

I am using a 144hz monitor. And if I want to se full 144hz, I must get my games running at -+144fps.

So, if you have 100hz monitor, and you want to see full 100hz, you must run your game at -+100fps.

Running some game/video at 60fps, more that 60hz will be useless.

Vsync caps the game's fps at the same monitor's Hertz number.

Some games can be already capped at 60fps by code, cuz developers think that everybody use LCD 60hz monitor today.

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Nice! I have been wanting to buy a 120hz or 144hz monitor for a while but I can't afford one.

I think the developers are thinking to much for console gaming. :( Its a shame.

vita_cell
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Beware.

Some high hertz monitors require an unnoficial windows blobed software. Some monitors have bad support, and need an unnoficial software to run all monitor's features properly.

Personally I have Benq XL2430T, and all features working fine, with built-in firmware.

Henpei
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Oh I didnt know about that, thanks for that heads up!

I think I will still wait a bit longer before buying any new monitors. Feels like the higher hertz monitors needs a bit more work.
Will take a look at that Benq.

Henpei
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Oh I didnt know about that, thanks for that heads up!

I think I will still wait a bit longer before buying any new monitors. Feels
like the higher hertz monitors needs a bit more work.
Will take a look at that Benq.

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Beware.

Some high hertz monitors require an unnoficial windows blobed software. Some
monitors have bad support, and need an unnoficial software for run all
monitor's features properly.

Personally I have Benq XL2430T, and all features working fine, with built-in
firmware.

Henpei
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Nice! I have been wanting to buy a 120hz or 144hz monitor for a while but I
can't afford one.

I think the developers are thinking to much for console gaming. :( Its a
shame.

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but..it can..if vsync is off.. X_x

vita_cell
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That is!

I am using a 144hz monitor. And if I want to se full 144hz, I must get my
games running on -+144fps.

So, if you have 100hz monitor, and you want to see full 100hz, you must run
your game at -+100fps.

Running some game/video at 60fps, more that 60hz will be useless.

Henpei
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Sorry you probably missunderstood my badly written sentence.
I meant exactly what you are saying. I just wanted to say that the monitor is
measured in hz while the computer outputs frames (fps).
As you say, if your monitor is 60hz you dont benefit from higher 60fps
because the monitor cant draw more than 60 frames per second. XD

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Not true, you can run games with unlimited FPS, but more that 60fps with 60hz
monitor, are useless. It depends of game, if this capped or not. Activating
VSync, you will cap fpt at the same number that Hz of your monitor.

Henpei
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The computer outputs frames. the monitor is what is running in hertz. If you
only have a 60hz monitor you would probably be locked to 60fps.

vita_cell
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Finnaly someone gave me i7-2600, which is compatible with z77 board and it is same socket sandy/ivy(1155).

I prefer i7 over i5.

Tested fully reclocked asus gtx650 2gb gddr5(eco version), works as good as proprietary drivers(I think), but you must to reclock manually when you go to play some game.

With full reclock, you have much better performance that any HD Intel.

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Good upgrade then,enjoy.

vita_cell
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Thanks!

I bought asus gtx770 4gb, which is much more powerful and I can do a higher reclock.
(first you need some voltage fixes in nouveau.ko and later put it in 4.3 kernel and recompile it, later do update-initramfs)

From:
07: core 405 MHz memory 648 MHz

To:
0f: core 1050 MHz memory 7010 MHz

GTX770 it is a much better option that gtx650(this one works very very good when reclocked) and any Intel GPU.

Allanitomwesh
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The good stuff graphics wise from Intel (i7 4770R) is Has well and thus a bad idea until its deblobbed more.It's also a pretty rare chip.

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Gtx770 will be much better option that any Intel GPU. And gtx650 still better that any Intel, I think. (better only if reclocked).