What's wrong with Lineage OS, if there is any?

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GrevenGull
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So Replicant OS is often mentioned as free OS for mobile devices - but there seems to be something holding people back from recommending Lineage.

It feels like the "Signal" thing.. Like on paper Signal would seem like a great app, but there is something something there that's holding people back from recommending it.

Adrian Malacoda

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As I understand it, it's largely the same issue with most Linux based OS's - proprietary drivers and/or firmware. I don't think anything in the userland of LineageOS is non-free but someone more knowledgeable can correct me on that.

gaseousness
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"INFORMATION WE HAVE

Certain information (e.g. a device unique anonymized ID, device model, etc.) is transmitted to us solely for the purpose of measuring non-personally identifiable installation metrics"

https://lineageos.org/legal/

nadebula.1984
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It's Google and hardware manufacturers that should be blamed, not LineageOS developers.

Malsasa
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I completely agree with this.

Legimet
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Yeah, I'm looking at working on the postmarketos port for my cell phone (the vendor stopped releasing updates after about 2 years) and there will be a lot of blobs needed for hardware support. However, I view this as better than throwing away perfectly usable hardware.

nadebula.1984
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This depends on what device it is. If you unfortunately "own" an Amazon Kindle (or Swindle as RMS calls it), you'd better throw it away.

Legimet
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It's not, it's a low end phone from several years ago, I don't want to promote the company so I won't say which one it is. But if I already had a Kindle, I don't see the harm in running postmarketos on it. After all, it's not like the DRM is built in to the hardware. In my opinion throwing away existing usable hardware and buying new hardware (thereby contributing to pollution, sweatshops, and warlords) is the greater of the two evils.

tonlee
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Does lineageos search for anything google
surveillance? And remove
it, if they find something? I could not
find any statements or people
saying anything about the matter.

If replicant.us discovers google
surveillance in the software, they will remove
it.

Jorah Dawson
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LineageOs still has some connections to Google servers.

Captiveportalmode, in order to verify internet connection.
You could disable it with adb or using the Terminal being root:
settings put global captive_portal_mode_0
reboot

Google NTP servers.
Your may change them typing the following:
settings put global ntp_server theserver.youwant. For instance ntp.pool.org servers.
I don't use any server, BTW.

Finally a couple of connections are present:
-Qualcomm Izatcloud servers for downloading gps almanacs.
-Stats.lineageos.org with statistical purposes.

gaseousness
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"Perhaps battery in my Pixel may be replaced at a phone tech shop when expired. It is often said that, as with my phone, battery charge lasts about seven days – due to lack of google spying, reporting back etc."

Modern apple dumbphones have a long battery life, but they are no doubt snooping? Removing the batteries is done to be more sure that one is preventing being spied on through cell towers, microphone, etc.,?

"So you have downloaded and installed insecure Replicant 6 with 110 open issues that has not been updated in 4 years onto an insecure device"

Any android has severely out of date linux kernel though, at least replicant aren't appearing to be lying and using laughable non-free "security"?

"There is one huge caveat when using a kernel like this. The number of security fixes that get backported are not as great as with the latest LTS release, because the traditional model of the devices that use these older LTS kernels is a much more reduced user model. These kernels are not to be used in any type of “general computing” model where you have untrusted users or virtual machines, as the ability to do some of the recent Spectre-type fixes for older releases is greatly reduced, if present at all in some branches."
http://www.kroah.com/log/

gaseousness
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I am what by my own admission? I don't follow.

*Meant to respond here? https://trisquel.info/en/forum/re-secure-smartphone-graphene-os-google-pixel-4a

gaseousness
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"Where is your evidence...?"

Uncommon sense, and what happens in real life? Someone I know in real life iThing can last for a long time without having to charge up again. It has nothing to do with any crapple vs google. If crapple again decides to install some malware for non-free planned obsolesce I'm not arguing against, just saying really looks like they've gotten better with longer short term battery life on one charge. Also, that battery life may not be the best way to try and measure if you are being spied on and by how much? Maybe controlling nearby cell phone towers and personal router would be better way to start to know more for sure?

gaseousness
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LOL, you literally said in message 12 " Perhaps battery in my Pixel may be replaced at a phone tech shop when expired. It is often said that, as with my phone, battery charge lasts about seven days – due to lack of google spying, reporting back etc."

"Nice try Dude! Either way you have no evidence"

Not that hard to ask people in real life if their newer iThings seem to last longer on battery?

I would not consider this to be good "evidence" due to vendored rigged studies, false marketing, but? https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/iphone-13-battery-life-adds-several-hours-to-a-single-charge-apple-says/

Side note:
"“Battery life” is the amount of time a device runs before it needs to be recharged. “Battery lifespan” is the amount of time a battery lasts until it needs to be replaced."
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208387
^ Good enough for technically terminology that we can live with?

gaseousness
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"I never use the "my friend says" trick in a desperate attempt to validate my post"

You do use personal experience, but others can't, apparently, and I'm not desperate, if it turned out that crapples ithings don't last longer than older crapple ithings did, guess that I was mistaken, not a big deal can happen to anyone. And it's obviously not a trick unless untrustworthy friends you have that want to trick you, that's not very friendly? I'm not arguing with you that crapple hasn't added some malware, some meaningless public scandal, wouldn't surprise me. But guess what, planned obsolesce is still a thing and my notion that they can still spy on you with longer battery life is not dis-proven?

gaseousness
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https://9to5mac.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2020/04/Screenshot-2020-04-16-at-10.14.48.png

Dumb phones in recent times have been getting slightly larger? Larger batteries, and maybe they wait until you're on the charger to transmit the spyware could be why, i don't know?

gaseousness
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LOL, what's my argument? And I simply suggested you could ask people, dumbphones are a common thing these says, No trick, I don't care if you accuse me of lying? And yes I have heard of batterygate, and it's still about battery lifespan, not battery life? And no, if someone hasn't heard of batterygate, that wouldn't be a big deal. The publicity stunt doesn't really matter in the end, because planned obsolesce is still a problem?

gaseousness
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https://tube.cadence.moe/watch?v=Iwfldf60wpE

Third link that correlates with my notion, not sure why it matters so much?

gaseousness
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https://tube.cadence.moe/watch?v=3cX1H5Y12W8

^ I believe this may have been the video where the "you"tubber claimed regularly buying new batteries or something like that.

gaseousness
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It isn't that off topic, because likely battery life could have also been increasing (over recent times) similarly in the android realm, and longer battery life may not be the best indicator of lack of spyware, but rather newer phone is required for grapheneos. Also, why not shorter battery life in grapheneos, if alleged hardening is in use?

Malsasa
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> but there is something something there that's holding people back from recommending it.

In short, it is about two main issues: their inclusion of proprietary software in form of hardware driver and/or firmware and the applications are still depend on Google's nonfree software. References you can read about this issue:

- https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/android-and-users-freedom.en.html
- https://fsfe.org/activities/android/android.en.html
- https://replicant.us/freedom-privacy-security-issues.php

Sincerely,

Malsasa