When will Trisquel 8.0 (Flidas) release?
I've recently read article New cycle, what we achieved and what's to come. I am curious to know any approximate release date/month declared or announced?
I suppose you've missed this.
https://trisquel.info/en/forum/do-we-have-date-trisquel-8-release
I guess the answer is: when ready. Those who know won't tell, the rest can only guess.
Just after seeing title of this post, I was expecting to see this cliche answer ;)
I am sure they aren't even sure themselves. Hopefully we can get a release soon :) Excited for it.
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cool nick ;)
Every time this question is asked the release date is pushed out 4 more years. ;)
It is now Sunday, July 18, 2106. ;)
My guess is probably sometime between September-December. That's around the time Trisquel 7 came out. If it comes out sooner, great. If it comes out later, then it comes out later.
If it comes out Sunday, July 18, 2106, I will still be around. 119 years old, but I will refuse to die until I see it released.
But when? WHEN?!?! :P
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This project claims to be open, but there is no communication what the default desktop environment will be and a tentative release date. Ruben needs to be more upfront.
The rest of your post aside, I don't think I see any claims that the project is open (only that the software is free, libre)
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Here is a pattern I normally see with distro versions: 1 < 2 < 3 < 4 < 5 < 6 < 7 < 8 < 9 and so on. In other words, there is a direct correlation between time and improvement. This would imply that the longer we wait, the better it will be! Also, if you insist on thinking in terms of Ubuntu releases, the longer we wait now, the closer we will be to the release of version 9! :)
Perhaps if we rush the release of Trisquel 8, it will have more flaws. There is an assumption that Ruben is not working on this. Isn't it possible that he is working very hard at releasing it and is running into some problems that take time to fix? If we rush him we:
a.) put pressure on him
b.) encourage a Trisquel 8 with more flaws if he gives in to pressure and releases version 8 before it is ready.
The only problem here is that people know that Ubuntu's latest version has been released. This should not be a problem if Trisquel is treated as its own distribution. Trisquel is not Ubuntu, just as Ubuntu is not Debian. Debian and Ubuntu have very different release schedules and priorities. So too, Trisquel and Ubuntu have different priorities and schedules.
My advice: Don't think of Trisquel as a liberated Ubuntu. Think of Trisquel as its own distribution, with its own release schedule and ignore Ubuntu completely.
Hear hear! Plus, if we figure a release (roughly) every two years it's not even been two years since version 7 came out. So 8 shouldn't even be on the radar until late 2016. Possibly even 2017...
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>Hear hear! Plus, if we figure a release (roughly) every two years it's not even been two years since version 7 came out. So 8 shouldn't even be on the radar until late 2016. Possibly even 2017...
Nah, we are the **libres**, we demand, we pretend and we want it now, else there will be dire consequences! If Ruben doesn't give use **it** by the year 2016 he ***will*** be fired! Jodiendo is already training to supersede.
If I have to wait two years for a new release of Trisquel, I rather eat other flavors of yogurt Ice cream.
This trisquel started to taste like an expired by date paico,,,
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lulz, viejito, I am starting to predict your answers. I knew you'd write something like that. Btw, your post is the smartest one in this thread, being that the whole of it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. :)
Good Point! Thinking Trisquel as its own distribution is required for becoming Trisquel independent of (non-free) Ubuntu!
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"So, those of us who feel we deserved to be informed should change to Ubuntu?"
WHAT!?! Is it that much of a sacrifice to be patient until Trisquel 8 comes out?
By the way, what is wrong with Trisquel 7 ??
Is something broken on your system?
Why does Trisquel 8 matter so much to you?
Or, are you saying that you feel you should be kept informed in the manner you expect, or else you will lead others to use nonfree software? At best that is childish and at worst it is blackmail.
There has to be more things about Trisquel that you like besides good communication about new releases?!? Free software has to be important enough to you that you would not push people to use nonfree software just because you are impatient or like to be kept informed.
You have been part of this community for a very long time. Why would you make such threats? Obviously in the past there was better communication, but was that the only reason you stayed with Trisquel? Or is being kept informed so important that it is a deal breaker for you; That you would rather use nonfree software!!!
Can it be bootstrapped yet?
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OK, once and for all:
What is wrong with Trisquel 7?
What sacrifices are you making by using Trisquel 7 that you won't have to make once Trisquel 8 comes out?
Do you have any intermediate step--like upgrading individual programs you need upgraded?
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Part of the issue is that there are some packages that cannot be updated separately, because they lack the proper dependencies. Also, I don't know about anyone else, but I have a problem where I cannot fill out PDF files in Trisquel; perhaps it's just because I'm using Libreboot, but the hope is that a new release may perhaps address some of those issues.
I think that it's possible that some of the eagerness toward the release of Trisquel 8 comes from people who might have similar problems, and are unable to simply update/upgrade individual packages.
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That is an excellent point! In fact, it is the best point.
Even in this case, however, there is often work that can be done to try and solve the problem before the new release. In fact, this is one way we can help the development of Trisquel 8. It may be the only way to solve the problem in question. After all, you can get the new release and still have the problem. If Trisquel 8 could solve every possible problem, we will never need a Trisquel 9. Since it obviously can't solve every possible problem, how do you know if your problem will be one of the solved problems?
Can you give links to the thread(s) you posted about this PDF problem?
Granted, there are cases where either:
1.) Every possible thing has been tried
OR
2.) It is known that a certain new package, or version of a package, will resolve a particular problem and nothing else will help [this is the strongest case for a quick release of Trisquel 8].
However, I'm not convinced that these cases are common enough to account for of this 'new release mania'.
Rather than passively waiting and praying that the new release will solve the problems for us, let's be proactive and help the project by taking a fresh look at some of these problems and try and fix them ourselves if at all possible.
"What sacrifices are you making by using Trisquel 7 that you won't have to make once Trisquel 8 comes out?"
I'm sure some of us would really want to try out KDE 5 (if not me)
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By the way, I heard a rumour that the latest Ubuntu release is having some serious problems. Apparently they released too soon and now they have a lot of back peddling to do. It is a little embarrassing actually. I''m so glad we didn't just dive in after them. Let's let them work it out for a while; We will use it when it becomes more stable.
lemme guess... systemd
I'm using Ubuntu GNOME 16.04 lately, and I have less problems with it than I had with either Trisquel 7 or Debian 8. The only problems I've experienced are that the graphical key management program and Enigmail don't seem to be storing the same keys as the command-line GnuPG (no idea why; keys stored there are not detected by the command-line GnuPG and vice-versa), Software has a bit of a buggy display (it doesn't consistently correctly show whether or not a package is installed), and IDLE doesn't work properly for some reason. These are all minor compared to the problems I had with Trisquel 7 and Debian 8.
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If you have been reading my posts you would guess correctly that this 'rumour' is not real. The idea was to illustrate how misguided it is to focus on Ubuntu when talking about the Trisquel development cycle.
When it comes to Ubuntu I have 5 words:
1. Who
2. Cares
3. Get
4. Over
5. It
If expediency was the main goal, then Trisquel may or may not be the best choice at any given point in time. What would be best is whatever distro works best this week--given that it is possible to use free software only.
The main goal, as I understand it, is to focus the free software community's efforts on Trisquel (or at least on a single distro) in order to get the best leverage from a relatively small number of people.
I'm assuming that you (onpon4) know all about the FSF's position regarding Ubuntu; I'm certain you understand it better than I do. Out of curiosity: What is your position, as a free software user, on using Ubuntu?
The one think I really like about Trisquel is the slower release cycle, the it will be done when it is done mentality. Ubuntu is its own thing, we would all be best to ignore its movements.
Not having the push an shove to be out on an exact date on an exact minute so that there can be the scramble to get into the system is actually a much more relaxing style and one I can see a lof of the free software community eventually adopting.
Relax. Take it easy. It will all be cool in the end.
Care to provide sources to backup your claims? Does this regard all Ubuntu versions or just the main one with Unity?
I've heard that Ubuntu MATE 16.04 is a stellar release due to the love Martin Wimpress puts into it. This is why I sincerely hope that Trisquel 8 settles on MATE. But we are in the dark with what Trisquel 8 actually is.
Well... I've donated some BC to ask forgiveness for reviving this post with such a discussion...
Considering the user base, I wouldn't expect Trisquel coming sooner than Elementary OS (last blog post on 26th of April) or Linux Mint.
Everything can be improved, and a better approach might be: What can we do to help?
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Anybody who has read even half of what I've written in this thread knows what I think on these issues. We are going around in circles; We are repeating ourselves. Ruben has already given a timeline here:
https://trisquel.info/en/new-cycle-what-we-achieved-and-whats-come
Ruben said, "This year [2016] will bring us Trisquel 8, codename "Flidas"
So, unless something really new comes up, I will stop posting on this subject until at least:
January 1, 2017