Waiting for Trisquel 8 (Flidas)

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Pandya
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I installed Trisquel GNU/Linux-Libre 7.0 LTS on 28 Nov. 2014, In other words, Today is (two year or LTS) anniversary of Trisquel for me! And using Trsiquel GNU/Linux as my primary operating system for two years. See How I do my computing.

My earlier post was When will Trisquel 8.0 (Flidas) release?. I think it is only one month left of this year and don't find Trisquel 8.0 released.

So, I'm waiting for Trisquel 8.0 GNU/Linux-Libre. Do we've any idea about out next release?

Soon.to.be.Free
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We've got lots of evidence-based speculation, but very little idea about it.

The problem appears to be that the developer, Ruben, is currently the only sysadmin at the FSF, and so has very little time to contribute to the project. Given he is (I believe) the sole individual with enough access to manage the OS, things are going very slowly. Even Trisquel 7 is lacking security updates- compared with Debian Stable its release cycle appears slow.

The best thing we can do for now, apart from fork Trisquel (not actually to silly an idea at this point) is what's listed here:
https://trisquel.info/en/forum/how-about-we-send-mail-fsf-trisquel-could-use-some-help
An example e-mail is in the second comment from the top.

Good luck, and I hope your computing continues to be a safe, enjoyable, and free experience.

Sasaki
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A question I've seen nowhere on the forum.

Why can't people join the developers team ? Isn't it the way linux distros are usually built ? I mean cooperative development ?

Magic Banana

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Yesterday, Ruben (aka quidam) updated two package helpers (grub2 and casper) for Trisquel 8 Flidas: https://devel.trisquel.info/groups/trisquel

See https://devel.trisquel.info/trisquel/package-helpers/blob/belenos/CONTRIBUTING.md for contributing.

The technical work to achieve mainly deal with package helpers: https://trisquel.info/en/wiki/package-helpers

Pandya
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Can you unlock this post?

Sasaki
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Aaah thank you magic banana.

I read there https://devel.trisquel.info/trisquel/package-helpers/blob/belenos/CONTRIBUTING.md that it's for code, bugs, and documentation. Isn't there a different way for contributing to the doc (loging in on the website and editing the wiki). Do I make a mistake with man pages in the terminal ?

So if it's open why is there only a few people involved in the development ?

I'm not a developper but I guess I can help by updating and adding free software packages in the repository. Can I do that ?

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I don't know anything about Trisquel's development process as I've never contributed to it, but it's not surprising at all to me that few people contribute to it. Contrary to popular belief, there aren't hoards of programmers flocking to projects. Most libre software projects are developed by a single person.[1] That Trisquel has contributors other than Ruben at all is a testament to its popularity.

[1] https://mako.cc/copyrighteous/when-free-software-isnt-better-talk

Mangy Dog

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Well whatever... this is no excuse for not giving any news whatsoever, and suddenly stopping freedom fridays .When i observe the FSF which is a communicating all the time , i don't find it normal that we have to demand information..

SuperTramp83

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Quidam is, let's say, not very communicative, and I can understand how this generates discontent sometimes. Where did the "Friday updates" go? That was nice but it stopped after a few weeks.

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FSF has paid staff to keep up communications. Ruben's job at the FSF is administration of FSF's computer systems, not public relations. Comparing the full-time paid position of public relations to someone that helps develop Trisquel on the side seems not a fair comparison.

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The priority now isn't to release the next Trisquel. It would be better to start to build a good structure for participating in Trisquel development process.

Some people are trying some thing like that but just for Trisquel french wiki.

I understand a little bit Ruben. Actually I must write some manuals for Trisquel wiki but I have not enough time.

In my own experience it's very hard sometime to do the things you promised ! ;-)

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lembas
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I think this is a very good idea. This will help Trisquels 9, 10, 11... etc.

Fingers crossed.

Pandya
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Happy GNU Year, 1 January 2017 is almost running!

BinaryDigit
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Would the FSF fund the continued development of Trisquel?

Ignacio.Agullo
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On 17/03/17 21:03, wrote:
> Would the FSF fund the continued development of Trisquel?

Remember, Trisquel has its own donations account. Trisquel doesn't
need funding from the FSF at the moment, just the donations to keep coming.

--
Ignacio Agulló · name at domain

BinaryDigit
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There hasn't been a Trisquel release since 2014, so I assume development has stopped?

jbar
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BinaryDigit
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OK thanks for the link.

t3g
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At this point, Trisquel needs to be forked or shut down if Ruben cannot commit to the project or assign someone else to take over. Kinda pathetic that Trisquel 8 has taken this long and a lot of respect for this project has been lost.

Soon.to.be.Free
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It's understandable that you're frustrated with the painfully slow progress of Trisquel 8, t3g, but YOU can fork it too if you want. Even if you can't commit to anything, free software allows somebody else to fork for you and co-operate with you to make progress. Complaining repeatedly isn't nearly as effective as offering some of your own services to make a change- even switching to a different OS (Parabola and Debian-with-free-repos-only are decent substitutes) will be more productive.

loldier
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"...switching to a different OS (Parabola and Debian-with-free-repos-only are decent substitutes) will be more productive."

There's no hurry as long as there's any perceived progress. I'm still confident that Flidas will be released in due time. If not, I'll use something else. While I'm waiting out Trisquel 8 Flidas, I'm on Debian.

Pandya
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How about gNewSense?

ewlabonte

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tg3 enjoys bitching.

Soon.to.be.Free
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I guessed that <img src="smiley">.

jxself
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It's amazing how some people can sit on the sidelines and do nothing but tell others that are working for free in their spare time that they're not working hard enough.

Mangy Dog

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You right!

some maybe where whipping slaves under Neferneferuaten Nefertiti ..?¡

I have installed Trisquel 8 Alpha and it's very stable, This thread should be renamed
Testing Trisquel 8 : Feedback ;-)

loldier
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How does it look? Mate with a single panel at the bottom of the screen?

Mangy Dog

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Very nice, yes... !

Mate with a single panel as here :
https://trisquel.info/fr/forum/trisquel-8-flidas-alpha-disponible#comment-111557

loldier
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Good. No need to be upset, then.

Pandya
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How about adding new post for it?

Soon.to.be.Free
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Good idea! I'm going to do that now.

Ignacio.Agullo
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On 22/03/17 16:22, wrote:
> It's amazing how some people can sit on the sidelines and do nothing
> but tell others that are working for free in their spare time that
> they're not working hard enough.

You know nothing. People is not doing nothing. People is
donating money. They just want they money to do something other than
sit in the bank all year round. Just use the money and pay a developer
for two, three or six months work.

--
Ignacio Agulló · name at domain

Magic Banana

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t3g has never donated a cent to the Trisquel project.

Notice that, these days, quidam is busy setting up LibrePlanet 2017's streaming infrastructure. LibrePlanet will take place this week-end: https://libreplanet.org/2017/

Its live stream: https://libreplanet.org/2017/live/

SuperTramp83

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Versionitis is a terrible disease. On the contrary, it is very understandable that some people fled to other distros due to security bugs.

Let's take pidgin as packaged in Trisquel in its current state. As the mate Trinux pointed out in the Spanish forum, it is affected by those bugs:

CVE-2016-2365, CVE-2016-2366, CVE-2016-2367, CVE-2016-2368, CVE-2016-2369, CVE-2016-2370, CVE-2016-2371, CVE-2016-2372, CVE-2016-2373, CVE-2016-2374, CVE-2016-2375, CVE-2016-2376, CVE-2016-2377, CVE-2016-2378, CVE-2016-2380, CVE-2016-4323, CVE-2017-2640.

Not cool :/