How many of you dual-boot ?
Hello everyone,
I wanted to make this "statistic" question a long time ago but didn't knew if I could do it or not, so if I can't please tell me.
My question is, I made a choice of Free Software on my computers, and because of this I only have Trisquel Gnu/Linux and/or Parabola Gnu/Linux on my computers (laptop and desktop), so I just wanted to know, how many of you dual-boot with another operation system by choice (for example, for gaming or using some application that are not free).
Never properly bother with duel boot. Began with USB flash drive
installs. for 1 or two years and eventuality committed to hd install on
pc when dad let me or backuped hd i forget details.
duel boot ? xD I just imagined 2 OS's fighting for HDD space xD
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Use Trisquel as main and Xubuntu to run CAD programs in VMware
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Can't you run CAD programs in VirtualBox ? that way you won't have two relatively similar packages taking space on the drive.
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Well, all though VirtualBox claims to be able to run programs produced by VMware I have never been able to make it work
The .vmx file won't import.
What you can do in VirtualBox is create a new VM and then use the .vmdk as the virtual disk.
CAD Programs running on Windows or on Xubuntu ?
We leave Windows on our computers here, I guess mostly because only my dad and I care about software freedom, and at that, only recently. We also sometimes have other distros on. On the computer I normally use, in addition to Trisquel, Linux Mint 12 is still on, though I never use it. The other computer just has Linux Mint 10 and Windows right now since I haven't gotten around to installing a completely free distro on it yet.
As an example, here at home all of my computers use Free Software under a Free Operating System (Mostly Parabola Gnu/Linux because I have problems running virtualbox with the linux-libre kernel), and the only computers with Windows are the ones that my mother uses, because she only uses them to play games on Facebook (Flash).
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You don't necessarily need to use M$ Windows to play games on Facebook.
There's a person in my family that also uses the computer mainly for Facebook and its games, and that person has been using GNU/Linux (Xubuntu) for years now, with no problems - although not knowing almost anything about computers.
(It's not a /completely/ free system, yes, but it's much better than Windows, in that respect.)
The Xfce desktop environment at least, is just as - or even more - simple to use than Windows, and using GNU/Linux, you have the advantage of a much more secure system, where you can let a person who doesn't know much about computers use one without having to worry about that person messing up the system or catching any viruses, Trojan horses or any other sort of malware - which is a great advantage, since we use the Internet, and our computers, nowadays for a lot of important and personal things.
As for dual boot, I have never used such a scheme for GNU/Linux distros. Never had the need to and only worry about installing the best distro for the particular computer in case. And only used to use such a scheme, in the beginning, to play a game on Windows. The only thing I do is to use different OS on different computers. And am now impatiently waiting for the new version of Trisquel to be be released, in order to try it out on one of them.
I know that I don't need M$ Windows OS to play games on Facebook xD The problem is that the computer she uses is my old Asus 1215N with the Optimus technology, and since it is still no working well on Gnu/Linux, using this netbook only with the Atom and the Intel x3150 for Facebook gaming is like suicide believe me xD
Right now I quad boot the following:
Trisquel Brigantia w/KDE
100% Free Gentoo Hardened Stable w/libre kernel
100% Free Gentoo Hardened Unstable w/libre kernel
Gentoo w/BFS scheduler w/radeon firmware blob
Gentoo Hardened Stable is what I use always. The Gentoo BFS w/radeon firmware was more a test to make sure I could get it working. Like Xgl back in the day, 3D acceleration is superfluous, useless eye candy for me and doesn't work completely on Hardened anyway.
I have a third hard drive free for BSD installs. I will put either DragonflyBSD w/HAMMER file system, beta FreeBSD 10 (to play around with clang compiler) or NetBSD w/pkgsrc to get more familiar with editing Makefiles directly.
I switched to GNU/Linux in March 2001 from Windows 98, after having only used both computers & Win 98 for a year and a half. At that point, I could not understand why people actually paid money for Windows, because it was buggy and unstable. I didn't get rid of Win 98 immediately. I eventually learned to install 98, update it, then install the apps I wanted. Then I would boot into my GNU system, and create a tar file of the 98 drive, then bzip it. I wrote one script that could wipe the 98 drive and another script that could unzip the 98 bzipped tar file back onto the drive. This way I never had do go through a Win 98 install again. The possibilities to do things like that convinced me the GNU tools were both genious and superior to anything Microsoft had. So not longer after tha, I dumped Microsoft products completely.
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I was never satisfied with dual boot configurations.
Now I have full disk encryption, so even if I have rare random moments of weakness, it would be a hassle to address them.
Loved the idea xD
"Pure Trisquel" (no dual boot) on all machines I administrate:
- My laptop;
- My wife's laptop;
- My parents' desktop computer;
- My desktop computer at work.
Doesn't your wife use Flash for anything ? (I am asking this because I can't switch to a Free OS on my mother's computer because of her use of Facebook Games that uses flash for example).
Well, I must admit it is the only piece of proprietary software installed on her machine (it is absent from the three other systems I mentioned). However, I believe it is less and less a need to her (especially now that Google Street View can be rendered through the WebGL technology). I will not re-install the Adobe Flash when her system will be updated to Trisquel 6.0 and see...
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Trisquel on Desktop partially because Openchrome drivers didn't work well in Parabola. Parabola on netbook but will probably switch to Trisquel LTS as Parabola requires too much maintenance. Parabola does have a few benefits such as ffmpeg providing H.264 encoding out of the box.
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I don't like dual-booting. No Microsoft Windows/Mac systems here either.
Currently I have the following setup, for 'historical' reasons related to my distro-hopping days:
Home server: Trisquel
Desktop: Trisquel / Linux Mint / Ubuntu / Debian
Netbook: Trisquel / Linux Mint / Ubuntu / Windows
iBook: Debian / Ubuntu / Mac OS
Today I use Trisquel 99.9% of the time. I think I'll soon remove the Ubuntu and Linux Mint partitions, and update (or add) Debian when Wheezy comes out. The Windows and Mac OS came with the machines and are barely ever used (I did have to upgrade my netbook's BIOS a few months ago because of a bug with the wifi, and the manufacturer - ACER - only provided a Windows exe file for that, so I had to boot the Windows partition that time just to be able to use my machine with Trisquel!).
Alright, off to testing Toutatis beta...
On Sunday 21 October 2012 18:49:09 name at domain wrote:
> My question is, I made a choice of Free Software on my computers, and
> because of this I only have Trisquel Gnu/Linux and/or Parabola Gnu/Linux on
> my computers (laptop and desktop), so I just wanted to know, how many of
> you dual-boot with another operation system by choice (for example, for
> gaming or using some application that are not free).
All but one of my x86 machines only have Trisquel Mini or Triskel on. The
last also has Kubuntu on for sanity checking when triaging bugs and
because the Trisquel wiki has it that checking against the parent
distro is a required part of the Trisquel beta bug reporting
process. It goes mostly unused.
Andrew M 'Leny' Lindley
I used to dual-boot a few operating systems (which I changed and overwrote a number of times).
Originally, I had Windows dual-booted, but I didn't use it for months and had no data left on it so I just deleted it.
Last month I wiped my computer and just installed Trisquel on it.
I personally use Trisquel Gnu/Linux as my main OS because of the Linux-libre vs VIrtualbox problem (the module doesn't compile with this kernel don't really know why, and the kernel that comes with the OS (3.0) have a lot of Graphical (KMS) and Sound (impossible to adjust volume) problems. I am waiting for the LTS release but until then I use Parabola Gnu/Linux.
And for games ? Do anyone of you play games (non-free) on a Gaming Console (Portable or not) ?
I used to be much less strict with games, but now I'm pretty strict about them. Even when I was less strict about it, though, the nonfree games I played were on my Pandora (the handheld system from OpenPandora), which runs GNU/Linux.
I now avoid nonfree games (though I give a free pass to games with free source code but nonfree art assets, like AssaultCube and The Ur-Quan Masters) and play all the games I do play on Trisquel. I occasionally will play a nonfree game at the request of my brother, either on his or my sister's laptop, on my Pandora if it's available for it, or on Trisquel (with Wine if necessary), but I don't tend to go back to them. (For example, I played Slender on my sister's laptop yesterday because they were telling me it was terrifying... I didn't think it was that scary, for the record.)
Forget Virtualbox & VMWare. They both require out of tree kernel modules that don't play well with the kernel. If your processor has the kvm extensions, use qemu-kvm. You can use Aqemu as a very nice user interface for qemu-kvm, although qemu-kvm is easy enough to run from the command line as well.
That goes without saying, for me at least. Any closed and/or proprietary anything is a huge gaping security hole (sooner or later) that leaves you at the mercy of a vendor (whose priority is profit, rather than the security of your system). I REFUSE to put myself in that situation.
Whereas the GPL community I trust, because I've seen countless security holes/bugs fixed, usually within hours, for the past several years now.
Oh, libvirt works well too and is also GPL licensed. There's a GTK GUI for it as well, that also works flawlessly.
Unfortunately I have a dual boot. My scanner doesn't work with Trisquel and some legacy files from Mac OS X.
.For now I have dual boot with Macbook 5,1 (Trisquel 5.5 and Mac OS X 10.6.8).
.One computer for parents with Trisquel-only.
.Dual boot on Dell Inspiron 1525 (Trisquel 5.5 and Windows 7 Ultimate).
.Dual boot on computer for CCTV. (Zoneminder with Trisquel 5.5 in testing and Geovision proprietary software with Windows XP).
Only on Macbook I need dual boot for scanner. The others has dual boot only because need some tests with free software. But on Windows machine runs only free software. (ClamWin + ClamSantinel for antivirus, Firefox, Thunderbird, Pidgin, VLC, GIMP, Inkscape, Scribus, Ekiga, Jitsi, 7-zip).
Since 1997 my father uses CorelDraw and change for Inkscape is hard for him and we had many .cdr files, probably we need dual boot or one computer with Windows for open legacy files in the future. (Or try to open with Wine, of course)
I never tried Parabola, has a big difference in performance? Ubuntu well known as slow, Trisquel is fast. Arch well known as fast and simple, Parabola is more fast and more simple?
What's the big technically difference between Parabola and Trisquel(in freedom is the same). Performance is perceptible?
I know Trisquel and Parabola has difference for end users, Parabola is very hard for one new user in the free software world.
I stopped using Ubuntu because of the lack of speed, and to be honest, the same appears on Trisquel when you start using Compiz or Gnome-Shell (and yes I know that gnome-shell is buggy on Trisquel 5.5). But for me Parabola Gnu/Linux - Arch Linux is the fastest distribution out there, and this is simply because of the KISS Idea behind it, nothing is changed (or just the minimum) and because of this you have full control of what you are doing, and you only install what you really want (but this also means that you need to know what you did in order to repair it if it broke, which only occurs very rarely).
But I believe (by my own testes of using both for the same tasks over time), that Parabola is faster than Trisquel (and less buggy), but remember that Parabola is just Arch Linux with different repositories and without the non-free packages.
I used to dual-boot Vista and Parabola on my desktop PC, but I decided to cat /dev/urandom over my Vista partition one day and killed it for good (on purpose). So, now I have only Parabola on my desktop PC.
My laptop had Windows 7 and Parabola on it, but when I got a new SSD, I only reinstalled Parabola.
So, I used to dual-boot, but don't anymore.
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Have to admit, that I'm dual booting... into another Trisquel, so I can test out different desktop environments without messing with my primary work environment :P
I've had no Windows on my PC for years now, the only contact I have with Windows is on the laptop from work where I can't install my own OSs. I'm booting it with a GNU/Linux stick most of the time it gets used at home though.
That is an interesting question also ! How many people here supporters of the Free Software Movement actually work only with Free Software ? (:D)
I do: mainly Emacs (to write C++ code and LaTeX articles/presentations/posters), GCC (tom compile the C++ code), TexLive (to compile LaTeX), Evince (to read articles and display my presentations) and Evolution (for e-mails).
EDIT: I forgot more scientific software such as Scilab and Maxima (associated with teaching "Numerical Analysis") and KNIME (a data-mining platform). As you have probably noticed, I am a big fan of the GNU text-processing commands too (grep, sed, awk, etc.).
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Le 12-10-21 12:49 PM, name at domain a écrit :
> Hello everyone,
> I wanted to make this "statistic" question a long time ago but didn't
knew if I could do it or not, so if I can't please tell me.
>
> My question is, I made a choice of Free Software on my computers, and
because of this I only have Trisquel Gnu/Linux and/or Parabola Gnu/Linux
on my computers (laptop and desktop), so I just wanted to know, how many
of you dual-boot with another operation system by choice (for example,
for gaming or using some application that are not free).
No dual boot here.
When I am replacing new systems I re-use the Windows license with a
vanilla Windows install in Virtualbox. Many governement websites here in
Quebec require Windows, unfortunately:
http://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:LibrePlanet_Qu%C3%A9bec/LPQC/WebRestreintQC
When a Windows system needs to be "liberated", I convert it to a virtual
machine (using VMWare converter), then re-import it in VirtualBox after
a "baremetal" install of Trisquel/Ubuntu (depending on how much/how
critical non-free hardware is). I've found if you leave a Windows system
virtualized on a desktop it gets less usage than dual-boot, and it eases
the transition. It's also easier to isolate/assign resources on
VirtualBox (ie. no network, more RAM, etc.). Medium/longterm, I find
it's event worth it to upgrade a system's RAM in order to have Windows
virtualized when needs be.
In my personal experience, KVM is a bit more invlived to get right for
Windows systems, specially when needing USB support.
Cheers,
Fabian Rodriguez
http://trisquel.magicfab.ca
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