Is Belenos Moving to SystemD?

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Dave_Hunt

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Hello,

I recently did my monthly dist-upgrade, and heard mention of Pieces of systemd, like the journal and services, getting installed. After the upgrade, I went looking for the cli tools like systemctl and journalctl; they're not present. How much of systemd do I now have? Are my system's services now managed by a hybrid of systemd, upstart, and the old sysv init scripts?

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Dave

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onpon4
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It's still Upstart. But GNOME depends on some systemd program, logind I think, so that is included as well, at least if you use GNOME.

Dave_Hunt

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Using the default Trisquel Gnome, thanks.

HuangLao
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I would imagine that Trisquel would have to switch since Ubuntu is switching thanks to Debian caving in to RedHat.

http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/02/ubuntu-debian-switching-systemd

Unless Trisquel switches to Devuan (if they ever come together), or to another distro that is not systemd, perhaps a libre slackware for example....then they are tied to the fate of Ubuntu and Canonical.

onpon4
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That's not what Dave_Hunt was asking. Trisquel will end up switching to systemd, but it hasn't happened yet.

jxself
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Don't worry people. Trisquel 7 is based on Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr.) The whole "using systemd as an init" didn't happen until this past March for Ubuntu 15.04 (Vivid Vervet) (and really then was only for new installs (and not upgrades) since Vivid was released in October with upstart.) And even that can be changed if someone doesn't want to use "systemd as init" - See
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemdForUpstartUsers#Permanent_switch_back_to_upstart

But remember that Trisquel is only based on LTS versions, and the next Ubuntu LTS will be 16.04 (no name's been announced, AFAIK but it'd be Trisquel 8.) That is too far away for me to know if it'll still be so easily changeable or not but hopefully it will be and even if not, the worst case is that those that wish to avoid "systemd as an init" have until at least April 2016 and really longer because there's usually a multi-month delay before the corresponding Trisquel version comes out.

Actually, it's even longer than that because Trisquel 7 is supported until April 2019 so people that wish to avoid "systemd as an init" could just not use Trisquel 8 (again, assuming that it's not just an easy switch like on that page) and remain on a supported Trisquel 7 until it becomes EOL in April 2019. That's like 4 years away still (okay, a couple months short since we're now in June vs. April but I digress) before anyone would be really "forced" to make a systemd-related decision. And hopefully things will have changed over the next four years and things will be more satisfactory to everyone.

So don't worry about it. :)

Dave_Hunt

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Thanks; I was just curious, having heard the names of systemd components go by as I was upgrading; was just wondering if there was some kind of incremental move under way. I still have no opinion re: the merrits of systemd vs upstart. To users not running servers, it probably won't make a difference.

Cheers,

Dave