A laptop earns FSF Respects Your Freedom certificate

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tct
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În 2013-12-22 15:03, name at domain a scris:
> 1.) Who is "the free software movement" exactly and who defines its
> values?

http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-intro.html

> I doubt you have evidence for this so most of your accusations have no
> base

Read the pages at gnu.org linked in the Trisquel Community Guidelines:

http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html#ProprietarySoftware
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/philosophy.html
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html

> 2.) You might interprete my words as a personal attack. I don't see
> why this should be the case. I compared the values you expressed in
> your posts with a historical group of people.

I am sure you are a victim of my interpretation and nobody else
considers you have made a personal attack, trying to invalidate my
arguments by discrediting me (presenting me as a false pretender).

> By the way, you called many people "trolls" in here.

But there are more and they know they are not free software supporters
and they don't follow the Trisquel Community Guidelines. Instead they
are publicly working against the free software movement using this
forum.

You are actually worse than trolls. A troll is breaking rules for the
fun of it. You break rules in an attempt to move this community away
from the free software movement.

Trisquel asked to be endorsed by FSF and it cannot stay this way if the
project doesn't follow the Guidelines for Free System Distributions.

Excerpts:

Please Teach Users about Free Software: To establish lasting freedom,
just giving users freedom isn't sufficient. It is necessary also to
teach them to understand what it means and to demand it.

Documentation that encourages users of the free software to install
nonfree software is not [acceptable].

> Also, you're trying to impose cencorship, which clearly violates the
> community guidelines:
> "keep in mind the spirit of free software and the GNU/Linux system."

This spirit doesn't mean you should be free to attack the free software
movement, violate the Code of Conduct and intentionally fail to follow
the Trisquel Community Guidelines. If you continue to attack the
principles of the free software movement using this communication
channel, to justify proprietary software and to recommend nonfree
software and corrupt distributions which include nonfree software,
without being stopped in time, then this will make Trisquel lose it's
endorsement from FSF.

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quantumgravity
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Ahh, no I got it. Obviously the whole thing was a big misunderstanding. I originally thought the most important thing for you is freedom in a digital society.
But the biggest goal for you is "the fsf endorsement".

"(...) then this will make Trisquel lose it's
endorsement from FSF."

I don't see any reason why this should bother anyone in the slightest.

"You are actually worse than trolls. "

Bad news for you:
"3. Personal attacks: We don't tolerate personal attacks here. We encourage discussion. Disagree with others and challenge their ideas. Don't feed the trolls. Please report any flaming/flame-baiting to a moderator using the contact page."

If you're a consequent man, you should leave the forum now. You violated the guidelines several times.
And please correct the community guidelines beforehand: you should delete the term "the free software movement" and write "the gnu homepage" instead.
Otherwise many trolls like me will come along, daring to talk about freedom.

axgb
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I agree; These laptops are probabaly in short supply, and people must decide whether they are prepared to pay extra for a free BIOS.

A lot of that laptop are being sold on ebay for about £120. Clearly that extra money is to pay for the effort he put into developing it.

ssdclickofdeath
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How hard/easy is it to DIY a coreboot X60?

spikeb
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looking around on the coreboot wiki, doesn't look too hard. just don't screw up.

trisq

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linuxbookpro
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Are i3, i5 and i7 processors of any generation not able to be endorsed?

RedMondSux
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Very tempted by the Gluglug X60, but the following concerns are preventing me from purchasing one:

(1) It's not clear what measures Francis Rowe is taking with respect to CPU microcode. There are three options:

(1A) Provide no microcode. BAD option, because of the serious bugs in Core Solo/Duo/2 Duo: http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=118296441702631&w=2

(1B) Provide closed-source (e.g. Intel) microcode. BAD option, because that may introduce other bugs undisclosed by Intel and perhaps not publicly known because of being closed-source (unless researchers have e.g. fuzzed the microcode-upgraded CPUs - has anyone done this?). This article seems to imply Rowe is shipping with the Intel microcode: http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Blogs/Off-the-Beat-Bruce-Byfield-s-Blog/Gluglug-Laptops-Get-FSF-Respect-Your-Freedom-Certification

(1C) Provide open-source microcode. GOOD option, but I don't know whether any such thing yet exists for the CPUs used by the X60(s). Anyone here know whether such a thing exists?

(2) Order form at http://shop.gluglug.org.uk/checkout/ requires full name and billing address for payment, but is by default served over HTTP. I don't like sending such information in the clear.

(3) Order form at https://shop.gluglug.org.uk/checkout/ (note the "s"!) has a certificate mismatch: it sends a certificate from a completely different domain (*.ispnoc.net). I don't fancy sending my full name and billing address to a site perhaps masquerading as another site!

(4) http://who.is/whois/gluglug.org.uk states that gluglug.org.uk is registered to Francis Rowe, and says, "The registrant is a non-trading individual who has opted to have their address omitted from the WHOIS service." Yet if Rowe/Gluglug is selling laptops, then clearly the registrant is trading.

(5) According to http://who.is/whois/gluglug.org.uk , ns2.ispnoc.net is a nameserver for gluglug.org.uk , but according to http://whois.net/whois/ispnoc.net , ispnoc.net is registered to "DC Koop" in the Netherlands, and does not appear to have anything to do with Francis Rowe or Gluglug or with gluglug.org.uk's registrar, lcn.com.

Not sure if Rowe is monitoring this forum. If so, I hope he will make his checkout system more secure and reply here to answer the microcode question. In any case, it's great that someone is tackling the issue of providing RYF-compliant personal computers!

jxself
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"It's not clear what measures Francis Rowe is taking with respect to CPU microcode." <-- My understanding is that it is 1A. Doing 1B would mean it wouldn't be eligible for FSF endorsement and 1C isn't even an option right now because it doesn't exist.

For #2, switch to SSL. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make with points 3 - 5 but he is legitimate. I've spent much time talking to him and so has FSF staff. Anyway, why not write to him and mention the SSL stuff?

ssdclickofdeath
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http://www.gluglug.org.uk/contact/
The form requires a name, but you can use a fake one, such as "Sudo Nymn".

RedMondSux
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I tried ringing the telephone number given at http://shop.gluglug.org.uk/contact/ (01268 857 769), but received an automated voice telling me, "You've dialled an incorrect number. Please check the number and try again."

lembas
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Uhm, are you in the UK as well? If not, you need to add the international call prefix.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_prefix

RedMondSux
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Thanks, but yes, I used the appropriate prefix.

Junichiro
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+44(0)1268 857 769 without the 0 should work.

RedMondSux
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It should, but it doesn't (at least, not for me).

ssdclickofdeath
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Is there any special model of X60 required to install libre coreboot?

jxself
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Not as far as I know as long as you stick with the X60 (plain) or X60s (slim.) (So, no X60 Tablet.)

94v
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If thinkpenguin did a similar thinkpad with more powerful graphics and a docking station option I would buy two, immediately.

jxself
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Sadly you often have to pick between freedom and technical superiority, as is the case here.

jxself
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And PS, the X60 already has the docking station option.