My ISO CD Won't Load

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Smallwheels
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I have an HP desktop machine. It has a CD drive. I have gone into the Boot menu by pressing F10. I set the machine to boot from the CD ROM. I put the ISO disc with Trisquel into the CD/DVD drive and turn on the machine. When it starts it doesn't load from the disc. It loads the other OS. When I get to the log in screen I just select reboot and the machine restarts and I keep getting the same result.

I need somebody who knows about BIOS stuff to help me to select the proper setting to get the disc to load.

I can leave the disc in the drive and the other OS reads it and I can display all of the files on the disc. If there is a way to load the disc while it is running in the other OS then tell me how to do that.

The other OS is Bodhi Linux. I want to try a couple of distributions and that is one of them. Since it has a terminal command box you can instruct me with commands to load the Trisquel OS while in Bodhi.

I didn't like Bodhi as much as I thought I would. I couldn't find any way to get to the CD/DVD drive to eject the disc. I also didn't see a screen resolution selector. Maybe those things are there somewhere but they weren't anyplace I could find. They were easy to find in Ubuntu.

I eagerly await help to get Trisquel working.

Magic Banana

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What about creating a USB Live media?

Smallwheels
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I don't own any USB sticks big enough or empty.

Anybody out there who can help?

lembas
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Have you successfully booted from a CD before? Did you check the .iso hashsum before burning it and did the burner verify it didn't mangle the burn?

Smallwheels
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Yes. No. Yes

lembas
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Here are the md5 hash sums
http://cdimage.trisquel.info/trisquel-images/md5sum.txt

compare the hash sum in that file with the one you get with

md5sum filename

(It will take a while to calculate it.)

Smallwheels
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How do I do that?

lembas
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What's the full name of the .iso and where did you put it?

If e.g. your iso is lala.iso and it's on Desktop, open a terminal and input

md5sum ~/Desktop/lala.iso

(And yes, it's case sensitive so Desktop is different from desktop. Try using the TAB key to complete paths, e.g. write ~/Des and then hit TAB.)

Smallwheels
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"What's the full name of the .iso and where did you put it?"

Right now it is only on the disc. I can move it to the desktop to make it easier.

"If e.g. your iso is lala.iso and it's on Desktop, open a terminal and input

md5sum ~/Desktop/lala.iso

(And yes, it's case sensitive so Desktop is different from desktop. Try using the TAB key to complete paths, e.g. write ~/Des and then hit TAB.)"

Do I hit enter after typing md5sum ~/Desktop/lala.iso?

Do I type in -/Des and hit the tab after pressing Enter following the previous command or do it all on the same line?

What exactly does it mean to complete paths?

lembas
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>Do I hit enter after typing md5sum ~/Desktop/lala.iso?

Yes. Except use trisquel-whatever-version.iso instead of lala

>Do I type in -/Des and hit the tab after pressing Enter following the previous command or do it all on the same line?

>What exactly does it mean to complete paths?

I mean you don't have to write all the letters in that md5blabla command. Just type a few letters and hit tab and the shell will complete the path for you. So you write ~/Des and then hit TAB and bam - the system fill write esktop for you. Then type a few letters of the name of the .iso and hit TAB again and the same magic happens. Or you could just type the whole thing. (watch out for typ0s in that case)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tab_completion

Smallwheels
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This did absolutely nothing. I moved the file to the desktop so I wouldn't need to fiddle with having it find the CD drive.

I opened a program called Terminology and a terminal window opened.

I typed md5sum -/Desktop/trisquel_6.0_i686.iso and hit enter. The only thing that happened was the next line said "Try `md5sum --help' for more information." After that the name of the computer came up on the next line with the cursor prompt blinking at the end of the line.

The trisquel_6.0_i686.iso file contains several things:
.disk
casper
isolinux
preseed
LEEME.TXT
md5sum.txt
README.TXT

Is anything missing?

If I put the cursor over the file on the desktop, a box opens with information about the file. It says:

Mime-type:application/x-cd-image
Size:696.0 MiB
Owner:You
Permissions:Read-Write
Modified:Last week

Does this give any clues?

This is getting frustrating. A long time ago (2010) I put Ubuntu on a computer. It took about a year for me to get enough answers to questions so that it became useable. I just can't wait forever to get a new OS on my machine. I want to start doing some work on it, not just play around with GNU/Linux as a hobby.

After reading this look below for another newer reply.

lembas
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>md5sum -/Desktop/trisquel_6.0_i6...

That's wrong. You substituted the tilde (~) with a dash (-).

Magic Banana

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If I were you, I would acquire a large (say 16 GB) USB Flash drive. It is not that expensive (a few tens of dollars) and very useful (not only to install a GNU/Linux distribution).

Veganix70

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Try burning the disc at the lowest speed.

Smallwheels
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Did that too.

Antmon
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Hi! Try to boot with another cd, if it works you have a problem with the cd you are booting from, if not you have a buggy drive. That happens with time. They stop booting from then, never knew why. If the USB is out of the question try to burn the cd in another drive. The few installations I did I made it from USB, and you can reuse it again.

Smallwheels
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While awaiting more help I decided to do something more to get this process working. Yesterday I purchased a 4 GB USB drive.

Today I loaded it with the download from the Trisquel web site. I put it onto the thumb drive and then moved it to the other HP computer. I opened the other GNU/Linux OS and installed the file on the desktop. I then followed the same instructions as before regarding getting the md5sum. I got exactly the same results.

Does this mean something is wrong with the file? Or is something wrong with the terminology program? Let me know soon please.

Does somebody know how to do an md5sum on a Mac running OS X 10.5.8? If so I can do it on my reliable computer.

Chris

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If the md5 hash doesn't match when you do md5sum file.iso and compare it against the contents of the md5 file than it means that the download is corrupt. You could try downloading it again. It might be that you have an unreliable internet connection and it may not be easy or possible to get a reliable connection

You could try restarting the modem/router/computer and downloading it again. You might also want to try a different mirror. Sometimes ISO images do get corrupted on the mirrors unfortunately.

The other possibility is just download it somewhere else (like a library or take your computer to a place with a more reliable internet connection).

Smallwheels
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After a couple of days being sidetracked I did the md5sum correctly. I got back the number that was listed on one of the links to the list of different sums. The number matches the one I got from the check.

I looked into the folder on the iso with the .txt file and none of those numbers match the one from the page that listed several numbers. Why is that?

Chris

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I think your looking at md5's for individual files contained on the disc. Those will only match the files on the disc image itself. It won't match the whole ISO file.

Smallwheels
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OK so I've got the correct md5sum. Why won't the disc load whether it is on a USB stick or CD? I tried the CD first. Then I tried a USB drive. Neither works.

On my HP machine I press ESC during boot. It opens a screen with Unetbootin. I see choices for the HDD, the Sandisk USB drive, and the CD/ROM drive. I select the Sandisk drive and the machine begins loading. The problem is that it loads the OS on the HDD instead of the Sandisk drive.

How do I run Trisquel from the USB so I can check it out for a day or two to decide if I want to keep it? This is my next step but I'm being thwarted by this bug.

I've been here for almost two weeks and have yet to run this OS. Years ago I put Ubuntu 10.04 on this same HP machine. It took a year for me to get enough correct answers to get it functioning fully. Thus GNU/Linux was a hobby OS for me. I really want to make the switch away from my Apple computer. I don't want to wait months or a year to get a new OS functioning fully.

Should I forgo Trisquel since in the near future Cononical will be making big changes that will affect Trisquel? I'm too new to really know how difficult this will be. So far my GNU/Linux experiences with loading OSs has been difficult.

Chris

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I'm not sure what the problem is specifically that your having (given I'm not there so I can't try different things) although it may be an issue with the type of USB support the system has. Particularly older systems may not have support for some installation types.

There may be some bug preventing your system from loading too. It's really hard to tell.

Trisquel and GNU/Linux really work best (or in many cases at all) with particular chipsets. This is because those chipsets have free drivers and firmware available. That means the drivers can be updated, fixed, and improved upon by the community.

It may be that there is some non-free component that your system was/is dependent on that is preventing it from loading. It may be Ubuntu 10.04 included this component and newer versions of GNU/Linux do not.

Trisquel never included this component so it may never have worked.

Most of the the time the systems boot OK in a fallback mode. This is basically where at least some hardware works although it may not be fully utilizable. Maybe that means there is no 3d acceleration or there is no wifi. But you can still use ethernet, and generally utilize the system so long as you don't need to connect wireless/or play games/watch movies/etc that need 3d acceleration. Other times the system may just not perform as well. Meaning watching a video without 3d may slow the system down significantly. You may not be able to watch it and also check your email at the same time. Or if you can it'll be much slower. Or other negative impacts it might cause are a faster drain on the battery.

The easiest thing to do down the road is buy GNU/Linux- and specifically free software friendly hardware.

The Free Software Foundation has a certification program that has been started:

http://fsf.org/ryf

A company I founded and run was the first to get PC hardware certified. It's at the moment the only company. There is a 2nd company which is specific to 3d printers that also has one product certified.

However you can be confident all our hardware is free software compatible even if it isn't yet certified. By that I mean it'll work with 100% free distributions. There may be a few things that can't be certified due to strict FSF requirements. For instance our laptops don't have a free software BIOS. It's one of those things that'll take a significant number of users opting to purchase mostly free software friendly laptops to change. There are no good free software friendly laptops that exist right now. There is some work being done to change that although it's unfortunately a significant effort that has to be undertaken. Right now we would probably have to see laptop sales increase 30x.

I think this number is doable with increased awareness of the importance of free software. Particularly where hardware is concerned. Even those who are not using a 100% free software distribution aught to be concerned about these issues. There are both ethical and practical implications of using hardware with dependencies on non-free components.

As an example AMD announced discontinuation of support for older graphics cards that are dependent on a non-free driver/firmware. There are other graphics cards from NVIDIA too which are unsupported. Then there are other types of devices like printers, sounds cards, etc. There are numerous other chipsets / device classes that don't have any support for free software operating systems or GNU/Linux in general (free or non-free in other words).

I feel that the most important thing to do is move yourself away from the non-free dependencies regardless of the distribution you end up using. Even if you end up using a distribution that includes non-free software you can still make a conscious decisions to do things like not install proprietary plug-ins like Adobe Flash, Oracle's Sun Java, and buy only free software friendly hardware.

I'm the CEO of ThinkPenguin and our policy is not to sell hardware dependant on non-free drivers/firmware (not including the BIOS/microcode). So there is a way to avoid it even if your not terribly technical. If you use http://libre.thinkpenguin.com/ we give 25% of the profits to the Trisquel project too. There are other ways to find hardware although it's a bit of a hit and miss situation even once you've found the hardware others have said worked for them. There are a number of issues. But one of the big ones is changing chipsets. A device that was sold with one chipset yesterday may use a different chipset today. The chipset is what determines compatibility (to a large degree). There are other issues like bad info (unfortunately a lot of users don't understand what free software is and report stuff as working or don't realize that only half the hardware is free software friendly). But basically h-node.org is one place to look.

I usually would recommend just asking on the forums. Sometimes users can at least point people in the right direction. I pointed one user the other day to the right hardware where laser printers were concerned (even though my company doesn't sell them).

The problem they had was they were on an older discontinued release of GNU/Linux from years ago. They needed to upgrade for many different reasons. Even after upgrading though it isn't all that easy to get the right hardware. But I narrowed down the list to the currently available laser printers under $1000 USD that had a good chance of working and what versions of the distribution it would probably work with (there was still a decent chance the hardware wouldn't work though, because, again, model numbers don't always equal chipsets, etc but at least it would reduce the likelihood of stuff not working).

lembas
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You boot from the USB just like you boot from the CD.

Try going to the BIOS setup and changing the boot order there. (Need to hit some key early in the boot to get there, the key depends on your hardware, could be F10 or F1 or del or... It's likely advertised for a short while on screen.) You might have a buggy BIOS, those are 13 in a dozen. Then save the settings and reboot with the CD or USB inserted.

Some people find the transition to Trisquel to be very easy, some might find it hard. I would guess it largely depends on one's experience and motivation. This weirdness you're currently enjoying with booting has nothing to do with Trisquel since you haven't even booted it yet.

Smallwheels
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To start my machine I press the power button. Then I begin pressing ESC because that is the key to select the boot order. When the choices of HDD, CD/ROM, and my Sandisk USB drive pop up, I select the Sandisk USB. After pressing Enter the machine boots into the OS on the HDD.

I have another OS that is on a USB stick. Doing the exact same procedure I can load it into the machine. My md5sum checks out. The stick was empty when I put Trisquel on it. What could be wrong with this USB stick that is causing this failure when the other USB stick works?

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Could you please explain how it is that you're burning the ISO? Are you using the disk creator by any chance? If you're comfortable enough with the terminal you could plug in the USB drive and find it using the command blkid. Then use dd to copy the file onto it. Do be careful because if you get your hard drive your data is gone.

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Sounds like you aren't burning the ISO correctly. I was wondering what program
and OS you used to burn the IMAGE File? It has to be burned as a image file
which will put the bootloader on the disk. I've used several different ones and
the one I use will work in Windows, it called "InfraRecorder" and it's free.
You can download a Linux Pup Distro and most all of them will burn the ISO image.

It sounds like you COPIED the ISO file to the DVD as a file. That will not work.
Even extracting the files to the HDD will not work. Been there and done that and
it will only work with the Pups.