Ubuntu = rolling release? (speculation)

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andrew
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Check out this:

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/146442-canonical-might-dump-interim-releases-by-14-04-switching-to-rolling-releases

Just speculation at the moment, but Canonical is considering only producing LTS releases, with more package updates within that release. This could be starting with the next LTS release.

For non-Gnash users, the YouTube video is at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQvOIExkCaw and can be downloaded using youtube-dl (starts at 42 min, warning: video is > 100MB).

I'm not 100% sure if this is good, bad or no impact for Trisquel yet. It could possibly mean less major changes between LTS releases. But continuous updates could also be problematic and make it harder to keep up for Trisquel.

PS. Please move to the "Troll Hole" if this is too off-topic. :-)

Chris

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This could be a good thing if it forced Trisquel to move to putting out LTS based releases only. Moving to base Trisquel off LTS releases and updating a handful of individual packages (so a sort of partial rolling release) would be ideal I think.

Users would get updates to critical pieces like abrowser, linux-libre kernel, and hplip. It probably isn't necessary to update much else. Maybe libreoffice. The majority are better off with a stable release with solid long term support and few major changes.

t3g
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I think I read somewhere or on the Linux Action Show that Fedora was also considering a rolling release model.

composr
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True rolling release models are great for hobbyists, hackers and the average consumer. But it's nowhere near predictable and stable enough for business or related uses. I'm also old-fashioned, and like my stable, predictable releases. I'd rather wait an extra month or two for stability over features.

Chris

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I'm the same way generally speaking. I'm not adverse to changes being made. There are worthwhile changes. However more often than not the change we see is change for the sake of change and there is a loss of functionality that makes things more difficult. Stripping down the number of options in GUI for instance might make sense. However it probably makes more sense to hide features that only the top 1% might use. It makes no sense to hide the features everybody will use only 1% of the time. The later makes it extremely difficult for the masses to accomplish less frequently done tasks. Whats is worse is that those tasks tend to be difficult to remember for the masses as it is because they aren't done that frequently. Adding steps doesn't help!

I used a palm pilot for years. It was handy, reliable, and got the job done. Then the smart phones came and I resisted for years. They are nowhere near optimal for organization. However there are a few benefits.

1. merging technologies potentially reduces the stuff you carry
2. backup of critical data is MUCH MUCH MUCH easier (something I rarely did with my palm pilot)
3. there was a move to free software

Now the downside to the new tech was it didn't work well as either a phone or an organizer. The palm pilot M500 series + flip phone took up about the same amount of space as one of these new fangled smart phones. The smart phones were more complicated and prone to problems too! They are slower to boot up, need rebooting, have worse battery life, etc.

The old simple palm M500 /w wifi and wireless syncing would have been my preferred solution had it ever been produced. Add in a cellular phone and it would have been golden. Especially if the features were distinctly separate so there were not privacy related issues (spy capabilities/tracking/etc).

I don't need a color screen, I don't need to play games on my phone, I don't need access to the Internet everywhere I go, I don't need to listen music all the time. I just need a simple organizer and device to communicate easily on the go. Unfortunately we really done have such a device. I normally would start attacking Apple at this point simply because I know somebody is going to bring up that solution although I doubt anybody is going to bring that it up here. Apple's phone is not a replacement for the palm pilot. It is no better than an Android smart phone and has other drawbacks.

MagicFab
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On 13-01-22 10:14 PM, name at domain wrote:
> Check out this:
>
> http://www.extremetech.com/computing/146442-canonical-might-dump-interim-releases-by-14-04-switching-to-rolling-releases
>
>
> Just speculation at the moment, but Canonical is considering only
> producing LTS releases, with more package updates within that release.
> This could be starting with the next LTS release.
>
> For non-Gnash users, the YouTube video is at
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQvOIExkCaw and can be downloaded
> using youtube-dl (starts at 42 min, warning: video is > 100MB). [..]
Many YouTube videos are also available in WebM if you "join the HTML5
trial" here:
https://www.youtube.com/html5 (you have to click on the link down that
page).

I was able to view the above with ABrowser in Trisquel 6 w/o any special
tricks. :)

F.

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Fabián Rodríguez
http://fsf.magicfab.ca

andrew
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> Many YouTube videos are also available in WebM if you "join the HTML5 trial" here:
> https://www.youtube.com/html5 (you have to click on the link down that page).

> I was able to view the above with ABrowser in Trisquel 6 w/o any special tricks. :)

That's what I previously did. Also it's possible to add &html5=True (with a capital "T") in the URL to force HTML5.

I disable JavaScript all of the time so I can't play YouTube videos via browser. Although I might *eventually* look into getting a Mozilla extension (I hear there are a few) to play videos without JS.

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I don't know any that play videos without JS (though I'm sure they exist), but I use UnPlug to download them. Works like a charm; it's good at detecting not only YouTube videos, but videos on other sites as well, no Javascript required and no hassle either.

Dave_Hunt

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I find that almost none of the youtube content I want to watch is available in html5, and have to use one of the tricks like linternamagica in abrowser.

andrew
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Thanks for the suggestions, Dave and onpon4. :-)

> I find that almost none of the youtube content I want to watch is available in html5, and have to use one of the tricks like linternamagica in abrowser.

Wow, Ivaylo Valkov has a lot of projects! However, I visited a YouTube video page and it didn't do anything. I could have investigated further, but for now I've decided to use UnPlug.

> I don't know any that play videos without JS (though I'm sure they exist), but I use UnPlug to download them

I tried UnPlug and it worked well. Watching a YouTube video is a right-click away, which is easier than using youtube-dl.

Dave_Hunt

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And I'll give unplug a go, since the latest linterna magica can cause orca to have trouble focusing on abrowser's window. Since this bug has surfaced, I toggle greasemonkey off until I need it for video watching.

Cheers,

Dave H.

ivaylo
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On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 11:36:46PM -0500, Dave Hunt wrote:

> And I'll give unplug a go, since the latest linterna magica can
> cause orca to have trouble focusing on abrowser's window. Since
> this bug has surfaced, I toggle greasemonkey off until I need it for
> video watching.

Please file a bug report about Linterna Mágica [1] with as much information
as possible if you believe it causes the problem. With the interface
changes we might have missed something or introduced bugs for screen
readers. Thanks.

[1] https://savannah.nongnu.org/bugs/?func=additem&group=linterna-magica

ivaylo
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On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 05:27:34AM +0100, name at domain wrote:
> Wow, Ivaylo Valkov has a lot of projects!

Personal, yes. Public? Well, a lot is a strong statement currently. ;)

> However, I visited a YouTube video page and it didn't do
> anything.

File a bug report [1] with the list of links that do not work. This way
you are helping the project, yourself and the rest of the community.

> > I don't know any that play videos without JS (though I'm sure they
> exist), but I use UnPlug to download them

Linterna Mágica is no exception. Currently it requires JavaScript
enabled so it can be executed. If/when the code is migrated to browser
extensions that requirement could drop.

A Bash/Perl/Python etc. YouTube downloaders should fall in that
category, but they would work outside of the browser.

[1] https://savannah.nongnu.org/bugs/?func=additem&group=linterna-magica

andrew
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> Linterna Mágica is no exception. Currently it requires JavaScript enabled so it can be executed. If/when the code is migrated to browser extensions that requirement could drop.

Ahh, okay. I tried with JS and it did work for me. I became aware of a few GreaseMonkey limitations myself not long ago (e.g. setTimeout/setInterval) which can be really annoying.

ivaylo
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On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 11:42:22PM +0100, name at domain wrote:

> I became aware of a few GreaseMonkey limitations myself not long ago
> (e.g. setTimeout/setInterval) which can be really annoying.

Linterna Mágica is relying on setTimeout and setInterval for a lot of
its functionality. They are tricky in the GM context. As far as I
remember Linterna Mágica used those functions even before I switched
to injecting the script into the page because of other GM limitations.

lembas
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I believe one more solution would be to use Launchy to glue together the browser and an external app. I say believe because I haven't tried it.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/launchy/