Unable to connect to Wifi network

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Aniz
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I have installed Trisquel Mini in my HP Netbook. But it does not detect Wifi networks. Can any one help me?

Thanks & Regards

Aniz

Legimet
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The most likely cause of this is that your wireless card requires non-free software. To find out what wireless card you have, can you open the terminal (which can be found in the main menu) and run the command "lspci" (without the quotes)? Post the output here.

Aniz
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Thank you for the help. I ran the lspci command and I can see that my wireless card is "Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11bgn Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01)". Now what should I do to fix the issue?

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Thanks to Broadcom not playing ball you're going to have to acquire another wifi adapter.

Here are a few excellent options https://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/endorsement/respects-your-freedom

Legimet
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No free firmware for that wifi chip exists. I would recommend getting a supported ath9k_htc (AR9271 or AR7010+AR928x) USB adapter. Options include ThinkPenguin and Tehnoetic, which are guaranteed to work with free drivers/firmware. You can also buy one elsewhere if you are sure of the chipset used.

(PCIe probably won't work because of HP's DRM)

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Not always! I have a HP pavilion, i7 third generation, bought 1 year ago. It had a no Atheros non-free software mini pcie card. I tryed 2 different Atheros mini pcie, and both works with Trisquel. I had no problems. You must try before if it works or not.

Magic Banana

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The problem is that you cannot always try before buying.

As far as I understand, you are talking about older cards that are not sold anymore. The second-hand market is an option if you know what chipsets Linux-libre handles and the vendor indicates the chipset.

vita_cell
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Yes, you right. You don't know if this model of HP laptop have whitelist for pcie wifi cards.

I bought 2 mini pcie card, one used, other one new.

EXAMPLE:

http://www.ebay.es/itm/191251186660?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

http://www.ebay.es/usr/hebeda?_trksid=p2047675.l2559

SuperTramp83

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lspci | grep Network

Chris

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You may have to go with a USB wifi adapter as HP uses digital restrictions to prevent swapping internal wifi cards. Best to avoid HP, Dell, Lenovo, Sony, Apple, and Toshiba as these companies are notorious for making it difficult to use free software. Not that other computers won't be a problem, but at least it avoid this specific issue. The best thing to do is not buy from vendors who don't support GNU/Linux to avoid the other problems. However most vendors don't sell free software friendly hardware so your still asking for trouble- particularly with Trisquel. ThinkPenguin (disclaimer: I'm actually the CEO) and basically minifree are good. The minifree systems are a little better as they have a free BIOS (they're older refurbished Lenovos). The ThinkPenguin systems are much newer, but do have a non-free BIOS. Unfortunately Intel and AMD are making things very difficult. Our best direction is moving away, but it's complicated, as non-x86 hardware is still got problems. However it is a lot better in some respects than at least next generation Intel/AMD hardware. Though not all non-x86 hardware is better. Some is worse. It's more along the lines of the potential is there and there are some systems which can be designed that are / will be better.

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You may have to go with a USB wifi adapter as HP uses digital restrictions to prevent swapping internal wifi cards. I don't know.....My 2710p seems to have come with a whitelist - had a non-free card to begin with but replaced it with a Openfwwf-supported card with which some other 2710p's seem to have come (based on the official info I read about it).

Or maybe it's old enough not to have that restriction?

vita_cell
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I know that here, people removes whitelist, I don't know how, cuz I didn't need it:

http://forums.mydigitallife.info/threads/7681-This-is-no-request-thread!-HP-COMPAQ-bioses-how-to-modify-the-bios/page111?p=333358#post333358

http://forums.mydigitallife.info/forums/25-BIOS-Mods?s=af6177583fb07ab36f3def3ca11b5775

I don't recommend to do this.

Chris

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In most cases your giving people a false sense of hope. There are technically a few ways to do it *possibly*, but they are all tricky, unreliable, difficult, etc. There are risks to destroying hardware be it the wifi card or the whole system (ie flash with a bad BIOS, etc). It's just a really bad idea. There is a high chance there won't be a pre-made modified BIOS which means its even more risky as you have to edit the BIOS... not something you'd want to do short of being experienced with this and even then you still risk bricking the system! I'd never do it unless it's already been tested by someone successfully on the same model... but model #s aren't necessarily enough to be confident that you'll succeed.

If you want to do this despite this I'd suggest getting a specific Lenovo (one of the LibreBoot.org listed ones). It's still not without its risks, but at least then you'll be able to be a bit more likely to succeed. You could still potentially fail/brick it. There are different revisions and I have seen a number of people run into problems flashing these systems (technical capable people, like the *developers* of LibreBoot, LibreCMC, etc). Not all X200 models for example can even be flashed and in other cases it depends on what screen is used (or something... like that).

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This is why I don't recommend. I give the information only if I know something. Very probably you brick your hardware.

THE BEST solution, is to select intelligently your future hardware, because free software unfriendly hardware is trash for us, and useless.

For now I will try to flash 3 MacBooks 2,1. With Libreboot. And so, I don't have any experience flashing Libreboot.

Chris

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I don't know, but HP started implementing the restrictions within the last handful of years. The older ones I don't believe had the restriction anyway. It could be though too that HP had multiple cards that were white listed. It's not normally the situation in my experience that you'll likely have a system like that. Half the time I've seen a half dozen white listed cards,but they end up all being Intel or something like that.

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Mine(HP) here bought 1 year ago, in August. Tryed with 2 different Atheros card(half-sized) mini-pcie:

-ATHEROS ATH-AR5B95 TOSHIBA NB200 NB250 100PX COMPAQ CQ61 518436-002

-Atheros ar9287 802.11b/g/n WiFi WLan mPCIe ar5b97 hb97 Linux Hackintosh Windows

I bought my HP in Russia, cuz I didn't pay the Windows 8.1 licence.

Chris

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I suspect HP probably had the cards whitelisted in the BIOS for the cards you bought, but it might be that specific model or BIOS didn't have the whitelist. There might be a different BIOS for different revisions sold in different parts of the world too actually. I can say the recent HP systems I've seen in the USA all had the whitelist.

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Probably you're right.

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I purchased the Penguin Wireless N USB Adapter (TPE-N150USB) from ThinkPenguin and it worked for me without any issue.

I had to do this because my Lenovo Ideapad Y400 restricted the replacement of the Intel Centrino-N 2230 and I didn't want to mess with all the whitelisting mess.

The only thing I do have to say is that ThinkPenguin charged me $7 for shipping and when I received it, I could clearly see that it only cost them $1 to send it. I tried contacting the company asking why they charge a ridiculous amount for shipping but to no reply.

I have owned several online businesses, and I found that to be crazy that they would charge that much for shipping.

But either way, the product did work. I guess the cost of freedom was way more expensive then I wanted to be, but well worth it.

Which by the way Tehnoetic sells the same product as well as their TET-N150. They, however, charge €35 and are based in Romania, which wasn't feasible for me since I live in the states.

Both products are produced by Unex as the DNUA-93F with the Atheros AR9271 chipset.

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Comments:

1. The shipping is based on standard industry practices ("flat rate") and the reason is limitations in the shopping cart platforms and postal service APIs. In other words we can't get an exact price quote for what it'll cost to ship one item or 10 items. There are also additional costs beyond the shipping to consider. For example a padded envelope might cost $1. Yes- there is potentially "profit" in this particular order, but there are also losses in others. It all depends on what you order. Order a graphics card for example and the actual shipping might be $14. We still charge you $7 because it's a flat rate that we're charging. Charging nothing for shipping is more of a mind game retailers play with customers. We're not playing that game.

2. It is ingenious to compare prices to competitive offerings and not consider the total ramifications of whats being offered. The larger product is not the same even if the core product is. Ie Your not getting proper end-user support, etc. If you aren't doing anything your costs are less and your probably charging less. Take Tehnoetic for example. They didn't work with Atheros for two years to get the sources released. We did. Unex probably doesn't even have the source code and half the time these companies can barely tell you what chip(s) are in there product. They're basically taking chips from other companies (ie Atheros) and putting them in cases. Maybe they'll imprint Sony's logo for Sony- or ThinkPenguin for ThinkPenguin- but they're not doing much of anything significant. Tehnoetic probably didn't get the adapter from Unex even. They got it from a third party at a steep discount after some other company backed out of a deal (or so I've been told). We had to wait for I believe Sony to place a large order to get these manufactured and hitched on to there larger order to get the adapters. Sony didn't sell these at retail though- I believe they included them in some TV/entertainment product. But the real effort has been in documenting, getting code released, and providing proper end-user support.

If you don't want to pay retail prices then yea- go elsewhere, but don't complain when nobody has a next-gen of anything, because you weren't willing to pay for it. We're *actively* involved in numerous ways in getting code released, funding projects, and pushing things forward. Even after all that it's not always possible to *make stuff happen*. You need millions of dollars to do just about anything and those kinds of numbers don't exist. A half million is nothing. If we can even do one relatively small project a year that's amazing.

Right now because other people are willing to basically work for nothing we're able to participate in development of a few products/projects. If people don't buy from us though we will not have the resources to finish them/continue with other projects. One of these projects has been in the works for years- and its only because we're funding it now with a full time engineer is the project moving forward. However he's working for *nothing* really (ie his rents, food, etc are basically being paid, but he could be making $100,000 / yr if he didn't care about your freedom so much).

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In the past week I've had TWO discussions with important people leading free software projects in the hardware arena about money and getting "real" jobs. It's disgusting. This shouldn't be the case. And then what makes it worse is the people who are determined to make things happen have to fight over the scraps just to stay afloat cause they can't afford to work together.

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Anyway what your exact (as exact as "HP Compaq TC1100", for example) model of laptop?