Enviado por sam-d16 o Mar, 01/30/2024 - 19:03

Libreboot developers are the most disgusting people in the world!

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Mar, 01/30/2024 - 19:03

sam-d16

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Absolutely insane, inadequate people, very toxic and not friendly chat.
If the Libreboot developers are such people, we are all very unlucky. I fully support several people leaving their Libreboot project
and the creation of Gnuboot, how they lasted so long with such a person is incomprehensible!
By the way, on the Canoeboot website, Leah is not directly but indirectly mocking the GnuBoot project.

I wrote a simple question to get an answer, I saved the correspondence as confirmation of everything that happened.

I'm sure that Leah hides behind other nicknames and writes offensive replies to users.
Her style cannot be confused. She is harsh, rude, arrogant and very unpleasant.

Mar, 01/30/2024 - 20:03

Other_Cody

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I think GnuBoot was made after Libreboot started including "blobs" in it.

The Canoeboot website may also have some objections to some things in, or maybe what is not included in, GnuBoot.

I do not know what was typed or sent about any questions you may have sent. Do you have a link to a any public text?

https://web.archive.org/

may have some pages saved about both the Canoeboot website and the GnuBoot website.

Also there may be more information at

https://trisquel.info/en/forum/canoeboot-20231026-released-new-fsdg-aligned-blob-free-100-free-software-coreboot-distro-forke

and

https://trisquel.info/en/forum/gnu-boot-01-rc-buildfix-patch-series-canoeboot-v01-special-release

Mar, 01/30/2024 - 20:47

sam-d16

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Hello Other_Cody. If you are in the Libreboot IRC chat, you can read our correspondence.

I asked the usual question as any user would ask it.

I read about the Gnuboot project and the whole history associated with it and I know why the Canoeboot website was created. I am 100% sure that the decision of her colleagues to leave her and create a separate project was absolutely correct!

Mér, 01/31/2024 - 11:47

sam-d16

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Hello . I understand what you are talking about, but you are superficial and not deeply talking about Leah.
Sorry, but your example doesn’t say anything from the point of view of human psychology.

As is already known, she made a grave mistake due to which the GnuBoot project was formed => https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/GNU_Boot and here https://savannah.gnu.org/news/?id=10571
I am convinced that this mistake will be followed by others in the direction of unfree software.

The essence of this developer does not correspond to the concept of freedom !!!!!!

People like her leah

And

Riku_V
qeeg
f_

(these are the pseudonyms of her colleagues in the Libreboot IRC chat) it is forbidden to communicate with people, they are toxic, unfriendly, rude, I can insult you if you asked a question that they didn’t like or ban you!

P.S You may not agree with me, but time will put everything in its place!

Enviado por libreleah o Mér, 01/31/2024 - 12:59. Rating too low.

Mér, 01/31/2024 - 12:59

libreleah

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You repeatedly asked questions which were answered, and you ignored the answers or seemingly didn't even read them, and many of the questions themselves were of the inane kind, already painstakingly well-documented on the website.

The way you phrased questions was more like a threat too. You were constantly rude to other devs - to the point where you demanded their attention. When people didn't answer you immediately, you got angry and started ranting and raving about how useless we all are, or telling us what we should do (for you, for free), more or less. Ring any bell?

The treatment you got from us was the same you'd get in any free software project: contempt, for you hold contempt to those who work in their free time on the projects you love. You are contemptible.

This is of course, assuming you were this "bob123" character. Or "tom2023" or "bob2024" or whatever other nick you used. Yes, you were also banned the first time, then you ban-evaded and did the same thing again, and again, and again.

Taking to the forums here is yet more evidence of your bad character. You *could* apologise for your rudeness, and try to be better next time, but as it stands, you are obviously not worth anyone's time.

Riku has reported you to libera staff.

If you weren't such a coward, you'd face me directly in PM, rather than complain about it here - which, by the way, is off-topic on the Trisquel forums, so you are treating these people with contempt too.

No, your ban shall remain constant. Riku has already reported you to libera staff for ban evasion too.

Good day.

Enviado por libreleah o Mér, 01/31/2024 - 13:05. Rating too low.

Mér, 01/31/2024 - 13:05

libreleah

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Next time, here's some advice: if you don't like a project, *change* it. I did this recently, with GNU Boot:

https://trisquel.info/en/forum/gnu-boot-01-rc-buildfix-patch-series-canoeboot-v01-special-release

Despite my contempt for their project, I thought to myself: what of their users? So I sent them some nice patches. The fact that they are not yet even seemingly reviewed, let alone merged, is besides the point; the point is that I did my duty. I didn't complain. I didn't say "you should do this" - I said "here, let me try".

This is the correct mentality to have. The do-it-yourself mentality. This mentality enables others to benefit from your presence, and makes your presence a net positive to the human experience of everyone.

Enviado por sam-d16 o Xov, 02/01/2024 - 15:10. Rating too low.

Xov, 02/01/2024 - 15:10

sam-d16

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My answer is:

People who will read your answer here may think about! Yes, Leah is a famous software developer, how come a guy with the nickname bob123 talked to her so rudely, she does all this for free, but if you read the correspondence, it will become as obvious as possible how inadequately, rudely and arrogantly you communicate with people, which does not give you this rights!

Your unstable unstable state with sudden outbursts of anger for unknown reasons towards users is very dangerous! This is how crazy people behave, they seem normal, but at some point something happens to them, etc.
Hitler was also an artist before he became who he was!

I choose Gnuboot over Libreboot!

The fact that you went against the FSF and continue to develop a policy of expanding blobs instead of not doing this, inventing various reasons and mocking on your Canoeboot website makes you seriously think that all Libreboot users are in danger! Tomorrow you'll come up with a new reason...

There should not be a monopoly on free software, we live in a world where everything is unstable and changes every day, tomorrow Leah will recommend everyone to install Windowds, because something has changed in their head, who will replace her? Now everyone is praying for her, this is a mistake, there should be 5-10 such developers and projects! Otherwise, she will dictate her terms to everyone and insult and send...

P.S While Leah manages Libreboot, we are friends in danger!

Lun, 02/05/2024 - 07:15

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Just my 2 cents.

While I understand Leah's pragmatic position on microcode, I don't completely agree with it but it is very understandable considering the dire position of hardware availability nowadays. Just remember we also have the freedom to choose which software we want to use, Leah and the Libreboot team isn't holding our machines hostage. Fork it, make it into what you want, you never know maybe Libreboot will use some of these changes and we will all benefit.

People and their personalities will always be prone to conflicts, we could be talking about shoe styles and many will be water and oil, unmovable objects meeting unstoppable ones. But that is fine, that is the way people are. It is what spurs folks to do something outside the norm.

I haven't had a lot of interaction with Leah over the years - I did buy my laptop from her and it is brilliant - all interactions have always been pleasant enough. Take that for what you will.

Lun, 02/05/2024 - 09:59

Avron

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When I had difficulties with Trisquel on the boot software provided by Leah on a laptop from minifree or another one, I was told it was a Trisquel problem and I had to seek help from Trisquel community. So I would not recommend Libreboot if one intends to use Trisquel. I plan to flash GNU boot at some point.

My overall feeling is that Leah has no interest in FSDG distros.

With respect to my minifree order, the computer is good in spite of some issues (need to have USB keyboard unplugged at boot or won't boot, randomly does not boot Trisquel, sometimes need to wait and retry several times). The customer experience is not flawless, every time I was told a delay (for initial order and repair), it was not respected by more than a month and when I received my order, it had the wrong keyboard and OS installed was not the one I asked for.

Lun, 02/05/2024 - 11:09

sam-d16

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do it yourself mentality

If I now tell you to go to mount Everest and tell me that you have to do it yourself?
You won't make it and you'll die 100%! You followed a do-it-yourself mentality!
This is your biggest mistake: you compare yourself as a person who has been programming for many years with a team and people
who want to free themselves from proprietary software and choose you, moreover, the site says that Libreboot was created to help NON-TECHNICALLY trained people!

What are you doing ! When these non-technical people ask you for help, you send them, insult them in the presence of other users and then ban them!

I choose Gnuboot over Libreboot!

Lun, 02/05/2024 - 14:30

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Vikings_thum

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Jesus.

Enviado por Other_Cody o Lun, 02/05/2024 - 15:59. Rating too low.

Lun, 02/05/2024 - 15:59

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Other_Cody

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I do not wish to do any "censorship" to chat about software, though I do wish to have the chat minister grace unto those that see it.

https://trisquel.info/en/forum/ways-bypass-censorship
shows in part

Exodus 20:7
Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
Ephesians 4:29
Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.

Foul language may be using the LORD's name in vain, or it may be using language out of the proper usage.
An ass is a donkey, not the improper usage of the word.

I only typed that word about a donkey to show an example of proper usage, not about anything in this chat.

https://trisquel.info/en/forum/reverse-engineering-binary-blobs-libreboot-and-coreboot-legal

I do not know if Libreboot or Coreboot have any blobs under a non-free license.

Like a license that may pervent reverse engineering or other things.

I saw one license that may be in OpenBSD that shows in part

Copyright 2004 Atmel Corporation. All Rights Reserved. Redistribution and use
of the microcode software ("Firmware") is permitted provided that the following
conditions are met:
1. Firmware is redistributed in object code only.
2. Any reproduction of Firmware must contain the above copyright notice,
this list of conditions and the below disclaimer in the documentation
and/or other materials provided with the distribution; and
3. The name of Atmel Corporation may not be used to endorse or promote products
derived from this Firmware without specific prior written consent.

So that is than a non-free license seeing the 1. Firmware is redistributed in object code only. part is in it.

https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/is-ever-good-use-nonfree-program.html#f1

So that is why I asked the question about if I could even "legally" reverse engineer those blobs.

Lun, 02/05/2024 - 21:01

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I'm locking this off-topic thread.

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